[governance] [bestbits] Fwd: [Rigf_discuss] [Extended Deadline: Apr 7(Tue)] APrIGF Macao 2015 - Last Chance to Submit Your Workshop Proposals

parminder parminder at itforchange.net
Wed Apr 1 08:09:13 EDT 2015

On Wednesday 01 April 2015 04:14 PM, Ang Peng Hwa (Prof) wrote:
> Hi Parminder.
> I went to the IGF page and searched for your proposal. I’m surprised 
> that the entire group of organisers consists of civil society players 
> only.

Hi Peng Hwa

Perhaps you missed noting that we have entered the proposal not as a 
regular IGF workshop but under 'others' - calling it as an 'outreach 
event'. And out reach event for any initiative is obviously done by 
those associated with organising that event, here, the Internet Social 
Forum, which are all civil society organisations.  The Internet Social 
Forum is to be a thematic forum under the World Social Forum rubric. The 
World Social Forum in fact only allows civil society groups to 
participate and not businesses or government. Please see this link for 
WSF's criteria of paticipation . Now if you want to take up issues with 
the WSF and its criteria of participation, that is a different thing - 
there are much better worthies to defend it than I.

BTW, among the organisers are both civil society and technical community 
groups, and it has been made clear in the past that it is not necessary 
to have stakeholders as co- organisers of an IGF workshop.

> The online proposal form has a button that allows one to ask for help 
> if one has difficulty getting stakeholder participation. Your proposal 
> does not have that request. I presume it means that you are not 
> seeking inputs from government or the private sector.

You can conflating organisers and participants. If you look at the 
tentative panel, you will find a wide variety of stakeholders.
> Back in 2010, when we organised the first APrIGF, you and I had a 
> couple of side chats during the meeting in HK and you gave some 
> critical inputs that, in the long run, strengthened the meeting. One 
> of the criticisms was that we had no government representation on the MSG

As far as I remember, both at the HK meeting, and later in exchanges on 
this list, my main point was to involve the UN regional commission of 
Asia Pacific.

> (multistakeholder steering group; acronym cunningly chosen because it 
> resembles flavouring originating in Asia). There was a bit of finger 
> wagging by you even then and I explained to you that we had tried but 
> no government was stepping up. Since then, we have seen increasing 
> government involvement with the APrIGF. Fast forward to 2014 and the 
> Indian government played a major part in the APrIGF in Delhi. I don’t 
> know if you played a part in that but your critique in 2010 was 
> helpful in prodding us to get government on board. In the coming Macao 
> meeting, they are involved in sponsorships as well.
> So now, seeing a proposal from you where only civil society is speaker 
> and audience is puzzling. I

you are wrong on your facts .

> have battle scars from being ejected at meetings by government 
> officials between the two WSISs. They are so rare these days I wear 
> them as a badge of honour.
> So these are my questions that come top of my head.
>  1. If civil society can organise a session where no government or
>     business organisation is invited, would it be acceptable if
>     governments and business organise their own meetings among themselves?

Where did you read that no gov or business is invited? Further, we have 
a variety of stakeholders on the panel as well. Yes, no business at 
present. I would love to get a small developing country business but can 
never find one. If you know anyone please do refer to me.

>  1. If even the World Economic Forum is recognising the importance of
>     a multistakeholder model
>     http://www.weforum.org/reports/future-role-civil-society, would
>     not a civil-society-only meeting be a step backward?
I have pretty good idea about what WEF recognises and what it does not, 
and to what purpose. (BTW, do read their Global Redesign Initiative, and 
their vision of the future of governance. But if you cant read it all, 
see a short critique in this article 
<http://www.twn.my/title2/resurgence/2014/287-288/cover02.htm> , go to 
the  box in the article on 'From NetMundial to the WEF'.) The workshop 
on the Internet Social Forum at the IGF is of course not only civil 
society. As for your objection to the proposed Internet Social Forum 
itself being only civil society, you will need to engage with the World 
Social Forum, at whose 2015 meeting last week about 40,000 people 
congregated from the world over. The next WSF is probably in Canada, and 
there will curely be an Internet Social Forum event there. You are 
welcome to come.

Below are the current top news about the 2015 WSF meeting. (You may also 
know that the WSF - read charter here 
was called in direct opposition to the WEF, so obviously a lots of 
people were never too happy with WEF's multistakeholderism and 
inclusiveness !)


Finally, since I have answered your questions, I will like to ask you if 
you think that the workshop we are proposing on an Internet Social Forum 
should be accepted (1) at the IGF, and (2) at APrIGF. And also what 
really does it mean to make it necessary for workshop proposals to 
present all issues 'incorporating a multi-stakeholder perspective'. Isnt 
the test of 'incorporating public interest perspective' better .


> Regards,
> Peng Hwa
> From: Parminder Singh <parminder at ITforChange.net 
> <mailto:parminder at ITforChange.net>>
> Reply-To: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org 
> <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org 
> <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>>, Parminder Singh 
> <parminder at ITforChange.net <mailto:parminder at ITforChange.net>>
> Date: Wednesday, 1 April 2015 5:49 pm
> To: Anja Kovacs <anja at internetdemocracy.in 
> <mailto:anja at internetdemocracy.in>>, "bestbits at lists.bestbits.net 
> <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>" <bestbits at lists.bestbits.net 
> <mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>>, IGC 
> <governance at lists.igcaucus.org <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>>
> Subject: Re: [governance] [bestbits] Fwd: [Rigf_discuss] [Extended 
> Deadline: Apr 7(Tue)] APrIGF Macao 2015 - Last Chance to Submit Your 
> Workshop Proposals
> On Tuesday 31 March 2015 01:29 PM, Anja Kovacs wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> I just wanted to share with you all that the submission deadline for 
>> the APrIGF workshops has been slightly extended, until 7 April. For 
>> those of you who are in the region, do please consider submitting a 
>> proposal!
> Hi Anja
> I am curious what would the mean and entail by "proposals ... should 
> present the proposed issue ... incorporating a multi-stakeholder 
> perspective".
> For instance, it one were to present a workshop proposal titled 
> 'Countering the power of Internet Trans-national corporations', one 
> would normally be writing mostly about excesses of TNC's power in this 
> area and what to do about it, isnt it. Would that fail the test of 
> 'incorporating a MS perspective'.
> Or, to take a more concrete example, those who organised the workshop 
> on Internet Social Forum intend to also organise one the next IGF, the 
> initial proposal is here 
> <http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/workshop-proposals/list-of-published-workshop-proposals> 
> ... I have a feeling that this proposal may not be considered to be 
> 'incorporating a multi stakeholder perspective' but I dont know, you 
> or someone else from APrIGF can tell me..
> Best , parminder
>> With best regards,
>> Anja
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: *APrIGF Secretariat* <sec at aprigf.asia <mailto:sec at aprigf.asia>>
>> Date: 30 March 2015 at 12:54
>> Subject: [Rigf_discuss] [Extended Deadline: Apr 7(Tue)] APrIGF Macao 
>> 2015 - Last Chance to Submit Your Workshop Proposals
>> To: announce at aprigf.asia <mailto:announce at aprigf.asia>
>> *Asia Pacific Regional Internet Governance Forum*
>> *APrIGF Macao 2015*
>> *30 Jun (Pre-event), 1-3 Jul (Main Conference), 2015*
>> *Sands Cotai Central, Macao*
>> http://2015.rigf.asia <http://aprigf.asia/>
>> *Final Call for Pre-Events/Workshop Proposals*
>> With our promotion at the RightsCon Southeast Asia which just 
>> concluded in Manila last week, the MSG is very glad to receive the 
>> overwhelming interests from the attendees on submitting workshop 
>> proposals and their request for a further deadline extension. 
>> To enhance the diversity of the proposals and engage more 
>> stakeholders' participation, the MSG reached a consensus to further 
>> extend the submission deadline to allow sufficient time for community 
>> members to fully develop their workshop proposals.
>> We now welcome proposals for pre-events or main workshop sessions 
>> which should present the proposed issue in an inclusive manner, 
>> incorporating a multi-stakeholder perspective with a balance of 
>> stakeholders and gender in the speakers list. The session shall 
>> promote an interactive dialogue among the participants.
>> There will not be further deadline extension. Hence, it is highly 
>> encouraged to submit your complete workshop proposal within the 
>> extended period.
>> *Workshop Proposal Submission Deadline: *11 Mar 2015 (Wed) *[Extended 
>> to 7 Apr (Tue)]*
>> *Online Submission 
>> Form:* (http://2015.rigf.asia/workshop-theme-submissions/)
>> If you have any enquiries, please feel free to contact the 
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