[governance] URGENT: Last call for feedback on CS participation in NETmundial Initiative
Suresh Ramasubramanian
suresh at hserus.net
Tue Nov 18 19:23:36 EST 2014
We should have a seat at this table as others have pointed out. I agree
with Wolfgang
On November 19, 2014 4:27:54 AM parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
> I am strongly against IGC joining the NetMundial Initiative.
>
> The reasons for this have been argued earlier here, and also contained
> in this statement http://justnetcoalition.org/NMI-neoliberal-caravan .
>
> Louis makes the argument rather clear and pithily.
>
> I have seen two kinds of logics forwarded by those who wish to join the
> NMI process, which I paraphrase as follows:
>
> (1) It is an important, perhaps central, global IG process, and if CS
> does not join, it will lose out
>
> (2) It is not such a central global IG process /whereby/ it is not of of
> huge import or significance that the World Economic Forum (against which
> incidentally the World Social Forum shaped us, as the more natural home
> of global civil society) has a central driving role in it..
>
> The two arguments appear contradictory to me. Therefore the overall case
> to join the initiative is rather weak and unsustainable in my view.
>
> If IGC, which came out of the umbrella CS grouping of the WSIS process,
> joins a WEF driven initiative, which is posited as a central global
> governance space, where 'solutions' to key public policy issues will be
> sought, it would militate against its historical and current legitimacy.
> It will be a very bad day for the civil society.
>
> parminder
>
> On Wednesday 19 November 2014 02:03 AM, Jean-Louis FULLSACK wrote:
> >
> > Merci Louis !
> >
> > Your argument is short ... and fairly convincing ! Therefore I do
> > share your logical conclusion.
> >
> > Warmest regards
> >
> > Jean-Louis Fullsack
> >
> > PS Will Eurolinc participate in the ITU WSIS+10 Review of Progress
> > Made (sic) 3-day meeting next week ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Message du 18/11/14 18:43
> > > De : "Louis Pouzin (well)" <pouzin at well.com>
> > > A : "governance at lists.igcaucus.org"
> > <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>, "chlebrum ." <chlebrum at gmail.com>
> > > Copie à : "Baudouin Schombe" <baudouin.schombe at gmail.com>
> > > Objet : Re: [governance] URGENT: Last call for feedback on CS
> > participation in NETmundial Initiative
> > >
> > >
> > Hi all,
> > >
> >
> > > Quite obviously if WEF is interested in CS joining in NMI it's
> > because it helps WEF interests, which are well known to side with
> > power and money. The idea of influencing WEF for CS interests
> > sounds like fairy tale. CS would be trapped in accepting to appear
> > supporting WEF interests, and would lose credibility.
> > >
> > > Therefore I think CS should not participate in the NMI.
> > >
> > > Louis.
> > >
> > - - -
> > >
> > >
> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:20 PM, chlebrum . <chlebrum at gmail.com
> > <mailto:chlebrum at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> >
> > "Itlooks likecopineriesand friendshipscircles."
> > That's all... and it's a pity!
> >
> > >
> > Chantal Lebrument
> > Courriel: c <mailto:lebrument at open-root.eu>hlebrum at gmail.com
> > <mailto:hlebrum at gmail.com>
> > >
> > Mob: +33 6 8369 5460 <tel:%2B33%206%208369%205460>
> >
> > >
> > 2014-11-18 14:55 GMT+01:00 Baudouin Schombe
> > <baudouin.schombe at gmail.com <mailto:baudouin.schombe at gmail.com>>:
> > >
> >
> > My question becomes increasingly growing:
> > > 1. What happens to the NetMundial?
> > > 2. NetMundial initiative is different from NetMundial
> > launched in Brazil?
> > > 3. All these groupings of civil society are more
> > partisan and exclusive selections. It looks like
> > copineries and friendships circles.
> > > I think we should take into account national and
> > regional realities. Whether we talk or IGF NetMundial we
> > need from considerations of each country because
> > everything is based on some national issues is our
> > continental location.
> > > All these debates within civil society suggests a crisis
> > of leadership with all its consequences.
> > > What we want exactly?
> > > With representation from civil society in UNCTAD, there
> > has been exclusion; for MAG, so many asctuces and in the
> > current situation for NetMundial again and again
> > discriminatory policies.
> > > Ultimately, whatever the plurality of civil society,
> > should understand that many plurality of concepts also need?
> >
> > >
> > 2014-11-18 12:32 GMT+01:00 Mawaki Chango
> > <kichango at gmail.com <mailto:kichango at gmail.com>>:
> > >
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > >
> > You must have heard a good deal about this by now, so
> > I won't repeat the background details. In the middle
> > of the night last night, before hitting the bed after
> > a long and drawn out day playing catch-up with
> > deadlines, I saw that Ian (chair of CSCG) forwarded
> > the NMI Transitional Committee's reply the CSCG
> > enquiry. Basically, they are willing to let the CSCG
> > vet CS candidates to be part of the NMI Coordination
> > Council.
> >
> > >
> > Now the question before us is to get a feel of the
> > membership of CSCG member entities as to whether to
> > get involved in the NMI process or not. I believe this
> > is the last step in the consultations we've been
> > having (with NMI initiators, among ourselves at the
> > CSCG and with the membership of our respective
> > organizations.) After this we should be able to give a
> > definite answer, formulate a definite position about
> > our participation in the NMI process.
> >
> > >
> > So what do you think? Please get right to the point
> > and be brief. State your preference for IGC
> > Involvement or No involvement and, if you care to
> > provide us with such, I would be grateful to you if
> > you could keep your supporting argument in one short
> > paragraph (as we just want to take the "temperature of
> > the room" if you see what I mean.)
> >
> > >
> > Thank you for your understanding.
> > Best regards.
> >
> > >
> > Mawaki
> >
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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