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<p style="margin: 0 0 1em 0; color: black;">We should have a seat at this
table as others have pointed out. I agree with Wolfgang </p>
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style="color: black; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; margin: 10pt 0;">On
November 19, 2014 4:27:54 AM parminder <parminder@itforchange.net>
wrote:</p>
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<font face="Verdana">I am strongly against IGC joining the
NetMundial Initiative. <br>
<br>
The reasons for this have been argued earlier here, and also
contained in this statement
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://justnetcoalition.org/NMI-neoliberal-caravan">http://justnetcoalition.org/NMI-neoliberal-caravan</a>
. <br>
<br>
Louis makes the argument rather clear and pithily. <br>
<br>
I have seen two kinds of logics forwarded by those who wish to
join the NMI process, which I paraphrase as follows:<br>
<br>
(1) It is an important, perhaps central, global IG process, and if
CS does not join, it will lose out<br>
<br>
(2) It is not such a central global IG process <i>whereby</i> it
is not of of huge import or significance that the World Economic
Forum (against which incidentally the World Social Forum shaped
us, as the more natural home of global civil society) has a
central driving role in it..<br>
<br>
The two arguments appear contradictory to me. Therefore the
overall case to join the initiative is rather weak and
unsustainable in my view. <br>
<br>
If IGC, which came out of the umbrella CS grouping of the WSIS
process, joins a WEF driven initiative, which is posited as a
central global governance space, where 'solutions' to key public
policy issues will be sought, it would militate against its
historical and current legitimacy. It will be a very bad day for
the civil society.<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Wednesday 19 November 2014 02:03 AM,
Jean-Louis FULLSACK wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:1937007881.33908.1416342789383.JavaMail.www@wwinf1e25"
type="cite">
<p>Merci Louis !</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Your argument is short ... and fairly convincing ! Therefore I
do share your logical conclusion.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Warmest regards</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Jean-Louis Fullsack</p>
<p> </p>
<p>PS Will Eurolinc participate in the ITU WSIS+10 Review of
Progress Made (sic) 3-day meeting next week ?</p>
<p><br>
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border-left: #ff0000 2px solid;">> Message du 18/11/14 18:43<br>
> De : "Louis Pouzin (well)" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:pouzin@well.com"><pouzin@well.com></a><br>
> A : <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">"governance@lists.igcaucus.org"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org"><governance@lists.igcaucus.org></a>,
"chlebrum ."
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:chlebrum@gmail.com"><chlebrum@gmail.com></a><br>
> Copie à : "Baudouin Schombe"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:baudouin.schombe@gmail.com"><baudouin.schombe@gmail.com></a><br>
> Objet : Re: [governance] URGENT: Last call for feedback on
CS participation in NETmundial Initiative<br>
> <br>
>
<div dir="ltr">Hi all,<br>
>
<div><br>
> Quite obviously if WEF is interested in CS joining in
NMI it's because it helps WEF interests, which are well
known to side with power and money. The idea of influencing
WEF for CS interests sounds like fairy tale. CS would be
trapped in accepting to appear supporting WEF interests, and
would lose credibility.<br>
> <br>
> Therefore I think CS should not participate in the NMI.<br>
> <br>
> Louis.<br>
>
<div class="gmail_extra">- - -<br>
> <br>
>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:20 PM,
chlebrum . <span><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chlebrum@gmail.com"
target="_blank">chlebrum@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
>
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padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div style="font-family: verdana,sans-serif;">"<span
style="font-size: 12.7273px; font-family:
arial,sans-serif;">It</span><span
style="font-size: 12.7273px; font-family:
arial,sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="font-size: 12.7273px; font-family:
arial,sans-serif;">looks like</span><span
style="font-size: 12.7273px; font-family:
arial,sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="font-size: 12.7273px; font-family:
arial,sans-serif;">copineries</span><span
style="font-size: 12.7273px; font-family:
arial,sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="font-size: 12.7273px; font-family:
arial,sans-serif;">and </span><span
style="font-size: 12.7273px; font-family:
arial,sans-serif;"></span><span
style="font-size: 12.7273px; font-family:
arial,sans-serif;">friendships</span><span
style="font-size: 12.7273px; font-family:
arial,sans-serif;"> </span><span
style="font-size: 12.7273px; font-family:
arial,sans-serif;">circles."</span></div>
<div style="font-family: verdana,sans-serif;"><span
style="font-size: 12.7273px; font-family:
arial,sans-serif;">That's all... and it's a
pity!</span></div>
<div style="font-family: verdana,sans-serif;"><br>
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<div style="font-size: small; font-family:
verdana,sans-serif;"><font color="#660000">Chantal
Lebrument</font></div>
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target="_blank">hlebrum@gmail.com</a><br>
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<div style="font-size: small; font-family:
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-11-18 14:55
GMT+01:00 Baudouin Schombe <span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:baudouin.schombe@gmail.com"
target="_blank">baudouin.schombe@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
>
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<div
dir="ltr"><span><span> </span></span><span><span>My
question</span> <span>becomes</span>
<span>increasingly</span>
<span>growing</span><span>:</span><br>
> <span>1.</span> <span>What
happens to the</span>
<span>NetMundial</span><span>?</span><br>
> <span>2.</span> <span>NetMundial</span>
<span>initiative</span> <span>is</span>
<span>different from</span>
<span>NetMundial</span>
<span>launched in
Brazil</span><span>?</span><br>
> <span>3. All</span> <span>these</span>
<span>groupings of</span> <span>civil</span>
<span>society are</span> <span>more</span>
<span>partisan</span> <span>and</span>
<span>exclusive
selections</span><span>.</span>
<span>It</span> <span>looks like</span>
<span>copineries</span> <span>and</span>
<span>friendships</span>
<span>circles.</span><br>
> <span>I think we should</span>
<span>take
into account national</span>
<span>and</span>
<span>regional realities.</span>
<span>Whether
we talk</span> <span>or</span>
<span>IGF</span>
<span>NetMundial</span> <span>we need</span>
<span>from</span> <span>considerations
of</span> <span>each country</span>
<span>because everything</span> <span>is
based on</span> <span>some</span>
<span>national
issues</span> <span>is</span> <span>our
continental</span>
<span>location</span><span>.</span><br>
> <span>All these</span> <span>debates
within</span> <span>civil society</span>
<span>suggests</span> <span>a crisis
of</span> <span>leadership</span>
<span>with
all</span> <span>its
consequences.</span><br>
> <span>What</span> <span>we want</span>
<span>exactly</span><span>?</span><br>
> <span>With representation from</span>
<span>civil society in</span>
<span>UNCTAD,</span>
<span>there has been</span>
<span>exclusion;</span>
<span>for</span> <span>MAG,</span> <span>so
many</span> <span>asctuces</span>
<span>and</span>
<span>in the current situation</span>
<span>for</span> <span>NetMundial</span>
<span>again and again</span>
<span>discriminatory</span>
<span>policies.</span><br>
> <span>Ultimately</span><span>,
whatever the</span> <span>plurality</span>
<span>of civil society</span><span>,
should</span> <span>understand that</span>
<span>many</span> <span>plurality of</span>
<span>concepts</span> <span>also</span>
<span>need?</span></span></div>
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<div>2014-11-18 12:32 GMT+01:00
Mawaki Chango <span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kichango@gmail.com"
target="_blank">kichango@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div style="font-size: small;">Dear
All,</div>
<div style="font-size: small;"><br>
></div>
<div style="font-size: small;">You
must have heard a good deal
about this by now, so I
won't repeat the background
details. In the middle of
the night last night, before
hitting the bed after a long
and drawn out day playing
catch-up with deadlines, I
saw that Ian (chair of CSCG)
forwarded the NMI
Transitional Committee's
reply the CSCG enquiry.
Basically, they are willing
to let the CSCG vet CS
candidates to be part of the
NMI Coordination Council.</div>
<div style="font-size: small;"><br>
></div>
<div style="font-size: small;">Now
the question before us is to
get a feel of the membership
of CSCG member entities as
to whether to get involved
in the NMI process or not. I
believe this is the last
step in the consultations
we've been having (with NMI
initiators, among ourselves
at the CSCG and with the
membership of our respective
organizations.) After this
we should be able to give a
definite answer, formulate a
definite position about our
participation in the NMI
process. </div>
<div style="font-size: small;"><br>
></div>
<div style="font-size: small;">So
what do you think? Please
get right to the point and
be brief. State your
preference for IGC
Involvement or No
involvement and, if you care
to provide us with such, I
would be grateful to you if
you could keep your
supporting argument in one
short paragraph (as we just
want to take the
"temperature of the room" if
you see what I mean.) </div>
<div style="font-size: small;"><br>
></div>
<div style="font-size: small;">Thank
you for your understanding.</div>
<div style="font-size: small;">Best
regards.</div>
<div style="font-size: small;"><br>
></div>
<div
style="font-size: small;">Mawaki </div>
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