[governance] Removal

Marie GEORGES marie.georges at noos.fr
Thu May 15 06:53:20 EDT 2014 

No it is not a complex issue.
 Your own data base as long it is for personal use with no  making available data to the public  is a matter of exercising private life which is guarantied under HR. No control on that...
If you disclose to the public here comes the balance between privacy (of others)  and freedom of expression (your)....classical matter

The real problem is that today this balance is not done the same way around the world. The freedom of expression limits are not the same. 

See,the private life of a public person is better protected in some countries than in others.. up to the point that in those countries where privacy is less protected you may  kill politically a man when publishing an extra marital love affair, not in other countries

Example in an other field of limits to freedom of expression  :  the nazis stuffs are forbidden to be sold in Europe (=nazi propaganda which is forbidden.....) which is not the case in USA.  Yahoo ! had been condemned in France for letting a group of nazi sailing online those stuffs on its service. Yahoo ! asked the US Court if that  French Court decision was applicable in USA. The US court said NO . Yahoo changed its rules regarding its status with regard to sailing on its online service so no longer such stuffs could appear on its service...I guess  Yahoo! did not want to be prevented  to make business on the european market (over 500 millions of people), knowing that after a French court it will be a German court which would condemned it= bad propaganda for its service

Marie



Le 15 mai 2014 à 12:25, Daniel Kalchev a écrit :

> This is rather complex issue.
> 
> Imagine, I am compiling a database about my neighbors. Doesn't matter why or for what purpose. It is *my* database. There are even laws to protect my rights over it.
> Now, one of my neighbors says they don't want their "personal information" such as their name in my database. Or, another piece of personal information, his telephone number.
> 
> Now imagine, not only me, but few other neighbors compile databases for their neighbors... 
> 
> Get the idea?
> 
> This is what we are trying to define here.
> 
> Daniel
> 
> On 15.05.14 13:14, avri wrote:
>> How much permanent information will need to be kept on order to guarantee a person is 'forgotten'. Will it be just their name and the result of the request. Will it require other identifying info to make sure that all of their info from all of their identities is also forgotten. Will the evidence they provide for the request need to be retained for some reason or time interval?  So many questions.
>> 
>> 
>> avri
>> 
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>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Mwendwa Kivuva 
>> Date:05/15/2014 04:48 (GMT-05:00) 
>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org,"Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" 
>> Cc: Lorena Jaume-Palasi ,Marie GEORGES ,Adam Peake ,Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond 
>> Subject: Re: [governance] Removal 
>> 
>> Wolfgang great question and observation.
>> 
>> This is time for innovation. We might need a "search engine clearing house"
>> 
>> ______________________
>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
>> twitter.com/lordmwesh
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 15 May 2014 10:56, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have one question: My understanding of the ruling is that an individual has to make a request to a search engine to remove the data/links to the orginal data to the operator of a search engine, in this case Google.
>> 
>> But what about the other search engines: Yandex, Bing, Baidu etc. If there are 100 search engines, does she/he has to make 100 requests?
>> 
>> Wolfgang
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> . IDies she/he have t.  -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Lorena Jaume-Palasi
>> Gesendet: Do 15.05.2014 02:50
>> An: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Marie GEORGES
>> Cc: Adam Peake; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
>> Betreff: Re: [governance] Information of general interest: arret cour européenne Luxembourg, Spanish DPA against Google
>> 
>> the court's opinion is pretty clear: it states that art. 7 & 8 (privacy and
>> data protection) are higher ranked than art. 11 (freedom of expression). In
>> democracies no right is absolute: they all have to be balanced as peers
>> -and not within a hierachy. So yes, Oliver is right and has read it pretty
>> much in deep (as many other law-experts on data protection have done:
>> http://mashable.com/2014/05/13/right-to-be-forgotten-europe-google/ or
>> http://europeanlawblog.eu/?p=2351  or
>> http://www.cr-online.de/blog/2014/05/14/can-a-search-engine-be-private-by-default/and
>> many more.
>> This is heavy undemocratic stuff, once we begin to rank some human rights
>> higher than others...
>> Kind regards,
>> Lorena
>> 
>> 
>> 2014-05-14 23:16 GMT+02:00 Marie GEORGES <marie.georges at noos.fr>:
>> 
>> > Yes Adam..quite interesting Viktor Mayer-Schönberger 's article
>> >
>> > The judgement is not at all in favor of censorship at all !!!!  Olivier,
>> > read it in deep, balance of interest is made between privacy and Interest
>> > of people to know...
>> >
>> > In Europe( large meaning) if another  end is looked for  it will be at the
>> > ECtHR...
>> >
>> > Best regards
>> > Marie
>> >
>> > Le 14 mai 2014 à 12:55, Adam Peake a écrit :
>> >
>> > >
>> > > On May 14, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> This ruling spells the start of mass censorship in Europe.
>> > >>
>> > >> It basically means anyone could ask Google to take down a link on the
>> > >> premise that the information is obsolete. I am sure this is very welcome
>> > >> to crooks, fraudsters and other criminals. Well done!
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > writing in the UK Guardian, Viktor Mayer-Schönberger suggests otherwise
>> > -- this is not the end
>> > >
>> > > <
>> > http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/omission-of-search-results-no-right-to-be-forgotten
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Adam
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Olivier
>> > >>
>> > >> On 13/05/2014 13:23, Marie GEORGES wrote:
>> > >>> Bonjour,
>> > >>>     Hi
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Cet arrêt est très important,
>> > >>>     This judgement is very important
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Et en  première page du New York Times
>> > >>>      And In first page of the New York Times
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/14/technology/google-should-erase-web-links-to-some-personal-data-europes-highest-court-says.html?hp
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Texte complet de l'arrêt , ci attaché, en français et en anglais
>> > >>>     Full judgement here attached in french and in english
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Il reconnait Google search comme un responsable de traitement au sens
>> > de la directive de 1995 sur la protection des données personnelles qui donc
>> > est applicable
>> > >>>     It recognizes Google (search) as controller in the meaning of
>> > Directive of 95 on data protection,that is therefore completely applicable
>> > to the search engine
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Google  doit retirer les informations sur une personne qui lui porte
>> > préjudice ( y inclus sur base de la liberté d'information/vie privée) lors
>> > de la réponse à qu'une requête sur le nom de cette personne alors que
>> > l'information sur le site d'origine est légale
>> > >>>     Google have to take of  the referenced documents related to a
>> > person when  that information, lawful on the original web site, appears in
>> > the answers to a query on  her/his name, where such information causes
>> > undue private life on the basis of the  balance of interest criteria
>> > (including related to freedom of information versus privacy....)
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Ce résumé est trop succinct...donc arrêt à lire entièrement..
>> > >>>     This resumé is too short, so text to be  fully taken in
>> > consideration
>> > >>> Bravo aux collègues espagnols
>> > >>>     Great our spanish colleagues
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Bonne journée,
>> > >>>     Have a nice day,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Marie GEORGES
>> > >>
>> > >>
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