[governance] Tallin Manual - a Cyber Warfare convention?

[parminder]

On Monday 25 March 2013 01:59 AM, Lee W McKnight wrote:
> Louis,
>
> re CS influence, I note the Red Cross had a seat at the table while 
> the docs were drafted or at least was on the pre-publication review 
> list, unsure myself how they worked together.
>
> But I would not be so dismissive of CS's ability to influence 
> modification of part or object to certain sections. In fact, sounds 
> like a good topic for an IGC co-sponsored workshop at IGF...assuming 
> we don;t already have a submission coming in right on target.
>
> Now putting on my political and media games analyst hat...the public 
> naming and shaming of the particular building in Shanghai full of 
> People's Liberation Army contractors incessantly cracking government 
> and firm systems and - borrowing?- or should I say sharing for 
> themselves that information, fits in context of the push towards new 
> international law for cyber warfare.

Lee,

The prior issue is - where and how the discussions, and subsequent 'law 
making' processes, should take place. Among NATO countries, NATO plus 
some powerful countries, or forums and spaces that are more democratic 
and open?.... The future insitutional architecture of global Internet 
governance remains the centrepiece in all this, something which we seem 
not too keen to discuss. I see a considerable 'avoidance behaviour' in 
this regard, which does not do good for the world.

Cyber warfare discussions are linked to those on big data, who lays and 
controls the pipes, global Internet businesses and so on - there has to 
be a global democratic space to take up these discussions, and develop 
principles, and if needed treaties and laws on various emergent global 
IG issues. What would  be the right place/ institution to do this - that 
is the question we cannot escape.

parminder


>
> Which in principle may be better than the absence of such a legal 
> framework; or granted, possibly worse when implemented in practice.
>
> But my comment is just that it is too soon to say how this will all 
> play out, and we should not assume we cannot have an impact on the path.
>
> Lee
>
> PS: And belated warmest congratulations!!! : )
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* pouzin at gmail.com [pouzin at gmail.com] on behalf of Louis Pouzin 
> (well) [pouzin at well.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 24, 2013 12:37 PM
> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Ian Peter
> *Subject:* [governance] Tallin Manual - a Cyber Warfare convention?
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com 
> <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com>> wrote:
>
>     As Samuel Morse might have remarked, “What God hath wrought”.
>     A landmark document created at the request of NATO has proposed a
>     set of rules for how international cyberwarfare should be
>     conducted. Written by 20 experts in conjunction with the
>     International Committee of the Red Cross and the US Cyber Command,
>     the/Tallinn Manual on the International Law Applicable to Cyber
>     Warfare/
>     <http://issuu.com/nato_ccd_coe/docs/tallinnmanual?mode=embed&layout=http%3A%2F%2Fskin.issuu.com%2Fv%2Flight%2Flayout.xml&showFlipBtn=true>analyzes
>     the rules of conventional war and applies them to state-sponsored
>     cyberattacks.
>     http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/21/4130740/tallin-manual-on-the-international-law-applicable-to-cyber-warfare
>     - - -
>
> Thanks Ian for precious links. It seems that time is coming for legal 
> definitions of cyberwarfare, in which we are living already. 
> Initiatives belong to the powers that be, the only ones with the 
> capacity to follow or violate the rules. CS doesn't have much 
> influence, except through occasional media power.
>
> Some more frightening documents on real war:
>
> http://www.salon.com/2013/02/19/latin_america_territorio_libre_from_the_cia_partner/?source=newsletter&utm_source=contactology&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Salon_Daily%20Newsletter%20%28Premium%29_7_30_110
>
> http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/projects/globalizing-torture
>
> One may observe that oppressive regimes resort to coded sanitized 
> language to mean illegal and criminal activities. This was anticipated 
> by Orwell (newspeak), and turned real with soviet labor camp 
> (concentration), nazism special treatment (gas chamber), maoism 
> reeducation (deportation), bushism and obamism extraordinary rendition 
> (torture), inter alia.
>
> Louis
>
>

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