[governance] Tallin Manual - a Cyber Warfare convention?

[Ian Peter]

but more seriously - I think a workshop is a good idea, but of course we 
have missed the first deadline. There are a couple of cyber-conflict 
workshops already so we would need to define the scope carefully.

I have a few thoughts on this if other parties are interested to discuss - 
perhaps better off list?

Ian Peter





-----Original Message----- 
From: Ian Peter
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 7:21 AM
To: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" ; governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; parminder
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Subject: Re: AW: AW: [governance] Tallin Manual - a Cyber Warfare 
convention?

I think all cyber wars should not be started until there is
multi-stakeholder support and both gender and geographical balance of
participants.

And yes, developing countries must be involved in every cyber war. and
academics.



-----Original Message----- 
From: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 7:40 PM
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; parminder
Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
Subject: AW: AW: [governance] Tallin Manual - a Cyber Warfare convention?

Parminder:
But these discussions in the GGE have two problems: (1) They are rather non
transparent, and non inclusive of outside
participation; (2) Cyber warfare and security issues get discussed in
isolation from connected cyber issues of human rights, big data, big
Internet business, cross border data flows and so on.

Wolfgang:
I fully agree. If it comes to security issues "MSs" is just lip service.

Parminder:
A UN CIRP (Committee on Internet related Policies) as a space for cross
cutting discussions on all Internet related policy issues, in a manner that
is more transparent and has better multistakeholder participation.

Wolfgang:
I disagree. To move it from one governmental body to another governmental
body is not the solution and a CTRP has too many risks for collatoral
damages. My proposal would be to bring those issues to the IGF agenda (both
to the Bali IGF as well as to the regional IGFs in Asia-Pacific, Europe,
Africa etc.). The Tallin Manual is a good justification to bring more light
into the darkness of those discussions. We could start (like in the GGE) to
discuss "confidence building measures" and to  move forward to the hidden
issues of the risk of a new cyber arms race and its implocations for a free,
open, secure and borderless Internet.







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