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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Monday 25 March 2013 01:59 AM, Lee W
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re CS influence, I note the Red Cross had a seat at the table
while the docs were drafted or at least was on the
pre-publication review list, unsure myself how they worked
together.<br>
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But I would not be so dismissive of CS's ability to influence
modification of part or object to certain sections. In fact,
sounds like a good topic for an IGC co-sponsored workshop at
IGF...assuming we don;t already have a submission coming in
right on target.
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Now putting on my political and media games analyst hat...the
public naming and shaming of the particular building in Shanghai
full of People's Liberation Army contractors incessantly
cracking government and firm systems and - borrowing?- or should
I say sharing for themselves that information, fits in context
of the push towards new international law for cyber warfare.
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Lee, <br>
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The prior issue is - where and how the discussions, and subsequent
'law making' processes, should take place. Among NATO countries,
NATO plus some powerful countries, or forums and spaces that are
more democratic and open?.... The future insitutional architecture
of global Internet governance remains the centrepiece in all this,
something which we seem not too keen to discuss. I see a
considerable 'avoidance behaviour' in this regard, which does not do
good for the world.<br>
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Cyber warfare discussions are linked to those on big data, who lays
and controls the pipes, global Internet businesses and so on - there
has to be a global democratic space to take up these discussions,
and develop principles, and if needed treaties and laws on various
emergent global IG issues. What would be the right place/
institution to do this - that is the question we cannot escape.<br>
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parminder <br>
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Which in principle may be better than the absence of such a
legal framework; or granted, possibly worse when implemented in
practice.
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But my comment is just that it is too soon to say how this will
all play out, and we should not assume we cannot have an impact
on the path.<br>
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Lee<br>
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PS: And belated warmest congratulations!!! : )<br>
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Pouzin (well) [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pouzin@well.com">pouzin@well.com</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 24, 2013 12:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; Ian Peter<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [governance] Tallin Manual - a Cyber
Warfare convention?<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 3:40 AM,
Ian Peter <span dir="ltr">
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<div><span><font color="#333333"><font
face="Helvetica"><span><font
style="font-size:10.5pt">As Samuel
Morse might have remarked, “What God
hath wrought”.</font></span></font></font></span></div>
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face="Helvetica"><span></span></font></font></span> </div>
<div><span><font color="#333333"><font
face="Helvetica"><span><font
style="font-size:10.5pt">A
</font></span><font
style="font-size:10.5pt">landmark
document created at the request of NATO
has proposed a set of rules for how
international cyberwarfare should be
conducted. Written by 20 experts in
conjunction with the International
Committee of the Red Cross and the US
Cyber Command, the</font></font></font></span><font
style="font-size:10.5pt"><a
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href="http://issuu.com/nato_ccd_coe/docs/tallinnmanual?mode=embed&layout=http%3A%2F%2Fskin.issuu.com%2Fv%2Flight%2Flayout.xml&showFlipBtn=true"
target="_blank"><i><font color="#fb4834"><font
style="text-decoration:none"
face="Helvetica">Tallinn Manual on the
International Law Applicable to Cyber
Warfare</font></font></i></a></font><span><font
face="Helvetica"><font
style="font-size:10.5pt"><font
color="#333333"><span> </span>analyzes
the rules of conventional war and
applies them to state-sponsored
cyberattacks.</font></font></font></span></div>
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title="http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/21/4130740/tallin-manual-on-the-international-law-applicable-to-cyber-warfare"
href="http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/21/4130740/tallin-manual-on-the-international-law-applicable-to-cyber-warfare"
target="_blank">http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/21/4130740/tallin-manual-on-the-international-law-applicable-to-cyber-warfare</a></div>
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<div>Thanks Ian for precious links. It seems that time is
coming for legal definitions of cyberwarfare, in which
we are living already. Initiatives belong to the powers
that be, the only ones with the capacity to follow or
violate the rules. CS doesn't have much influence,
except through occasional media power.<br>
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Some more frightening documents on real war:<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.salon.com/2013/02/19/latin_america_territorio_libre_from_the_cia_partner/?source=newsletter&utm_source=contactology&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Salon_Daily%20Newsletter%20%28Premium%29_7_30_110"
target="_blank">http://www.salon.com/2013/02/19/latin_america_territorio_libre_from_the_cia_partner/?source=newsletter&utm_source=contactology&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Salon_Daily%20Newsletter%20%28Premium%29_7_30_110</a><br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/projects/globalizing-torture"
target="_blank">http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/projects/globalizing-torture</a><br>
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One may observe that oppressive regimes resort to coded
sanitized language to mean illegal and criminal
activities. This was anticipated by Orwell (newspeak),
and turned real with soviet labor camp (concentration),
nazism special treatment (gas chamber), maoism
reeducation (deportation), bushism and obamism
extraordinary rendition (torture), inter alia.<br>
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Louis<br>
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