[governance] Tallin Manual - a Cyber Warfare convention?

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

If civil society can speak knowledgeably in this area, its inputs would be welcomed in a multitude of fora engaged on this issue.  I have not, unfortunately, seen much of that on this list at any rate.

To answer Ian's comment, there is a distressing trend in more than one nation to use non state actors (including criminal botmasters) to carry out ddos attacks and break into foreign networks for espionage,  this is more or less similar to other nations using jehadis and mujahideen to carry out attacks that would be politically and strategically infeasible for their armed forces to carry out.

So while some of the models could do with an update, it is absolutely essential that this practice be internationally recognized as unacceptable.

--srs (iPad)

On 23-Mar-2013, at 14:44, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:

> 
> On Saturday 23 March 2013 11:43 AM, Ian Peter wrote:
>> I just read through the principles outlined in this document and am extremely concerned at some of the implications of extending normal warfare “principles” to cyber infrastructure, attempts to define territoriality in this space, and some of the concepts that applied in guns and warships style conflicts being extended into cyberspace – like combatants wearing uniforms to distinguish themselves from civilians. And many other arguments based on 1940s international law that really should not apply.
>>  
>> This, unfortunately, is a document from “credible” sources and is likely to have impact on NATO thinking. Therefore it is extremely concerning. I am interested in the reactions of people on this list who are more knowledgeable in this area.
> 
> I dont claim to be more knowledgeable, but from the little I know how political affairs get conducted: it is best to have larger, more open discussions on such issues, where the less powerful countries are also involved. While some were always more equal then others, the trend has worsened in the IG space, where it is also almost normatively accepted that it is ok that the game be played among the biggies. Civil society normally plays the normative and democracy-seeking role, and expanding global governance spaces to include smaller countries equally, but regrettably, not in the IG space.
> 
> Secondly, and there have been some strange comments in this regard as late as in the last few day - lets understand and accept that Internet governance is not about some rather insignificant issue of CIRs management, it is about so many much bigger issues, very central to the future of our societies. Again, civil society has a big role in defining this larger issue-scape rather than digging our collective head in the CIR sands, becuase it gives us a very good and saleable slogan of 'mutistakeholderism is sought to be replaced by UN inter-gov-ism'. And the most powerful countires want us to keep using this slogan exclusively and do nothing else. In all other     IG areas, the strong control of Northern governments on how our future is evolving is so very clear that is does not admit to 'MSism being replaced by UNism" slogan, and thus civil society should be kept away from grasping and taking up these more important other IG issues. 
> 
> 
> parminder 
>>  
>> Ian Peter
>>  
>> From: Ian Peter
>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:40 PM
>> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>> Subject: [governance] Tallin Manual - a Cyber Warfare convention?
>>  
>> As Samuel Morse might have remarked, “What God hath wrought”.
>>  
>> A landmark document created at the request of NATO has proposed a set of rules for how international cyberwarfare should be conducted. Written by 20 experts in conjunction with the International Committee of the Red Cross and the US Cyber Command, theTallinn Manual on the International Law Applicable to Cyber Warfare analyzes the rules of conventional war and applies them to state-sponsored cyberattacks.
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>> http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/21/4130740/tallin-manual-on-the-international-law-applicable-to-cyber-warfare
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