[governance] COMMENTS SOUGHT: draft letter to ISOC on selection of T&A nominees for CSTD WG on EC

[parminder]

Also, Avri, perhaps you can also tell us whether you consider yourself 
as a member of the technical community or not. (and if you do not. how 
do you define the membership of technical community). McTim BTW refused 
to answer this direct question which I directed at him yesterday. Your 
replies may just give the IGC some valuable food for a good discussion.

parminder


On Saturday 16 March 2013 12:45 PM, parminder wrote:
>
> On Saturday 16 March 2013 09:46 AM, Avri Doria wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I do not support sending a letter.
>>
>> If indeed they are being treated as another Stakeholder group, I do not see what job we have interfering with their selection processes. Just as we would be highly offended if they told Civil Society how to select candidates.
>>
>> I am not making a judgement on any candidate or on their process, which I know nothing about. Or even on the issue of whether they should be treated as a separate Stakeholder group. I just think it is not our business to comment on their process or criteria.
>
> Avri
>
> Are you saying that if the business community focal point was to send 
> out a message that only representatives of businesses that have an 
> annual turnover in excess of $ I billion may apply to be considered 
> for for private sector membership of the CSTD WG, we as in the IGC 
> should have nothing to say?
>
> Or, even if UN comes up with a process whereby government membership 
> CSTD WG is based on the GDP of a country, the IGC should have nothing 
> to say?
>
>
> This is the problem with a certain kind of MSism - a very poor 
> conception of the fact that all political processes are aimed at a 
> common public interest. Accordingly, all public actors involved in the 
> process are accountable to the people, and to every and any other 
> public actor...... This is how I see this kind of MSism causing 
> grievous hurt to democracy, and all tenets of public life.
>
>
> When you say that the focal points for chosing 'technical and academic 
> community' representatives have no accountability to a civil society 
> group and we cannot ask questions from them, you are saying that they 
> have no accountability to the public. I am really shocked to hear 
> this. I have no idea what your conception of civil society really is, 
> and those of others who have come up with similar views. I think we as 
> IGC need to figure out who we are, and what we think civil society is, 
> and what all are its purposes etc......
>
> */I will like to have a clear articulation from this group, if needed 
> through a vote, whether we really think that focal points for 
> selecting reps of different stakeholders for a public body have no 
> accountability to the public, and whether a civil society group can or 
> cannot legitimately ask transparency and accountability related 
> questions /**/from them./*
>
> This point of process perhaps must be clarified before we go into the 
> substance of our questions to the focal point for 'tech and academic 
> communities'.
>
>
> parminder
>
>
>> avri
>>
>>
>>
>> On 15 Mar 2013, at 19:05, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
>>
>>> Following on from discussions in the main thread on this topic (I'm starting a new thread to improve visibility), I have quickly drafted a letter that outlines the concerns that a number of us have expressed:
>>>
>>> http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/isoc-letter
>>>
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