[governance] COMMENTS SOUGHT: draft letter to ISOC on selection of T&A nominees for CSTD WG on EC

Suresh Ramasubramanian suresh at hserus.net
Sat Mar 16 03:24:41 EDT 2013 

Why do you think they are mutually exclusive, or that she can't be both at the same time?

If you get a guest researcher post at a university and continue at it4change you would describe yourself as a civil society NGO member and an academic.

--srs (iPad)

On 16-Mar-2013, at 12:48, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:

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> Also, Avri, perhaps you can also tell us whether you consider yourself as a member of the technical community or not. (and if you do not. how do you define the membership of technical community). McTim BTW refused to answer this direct question which I directed at him yesterday. Your replies may just give the IGC some valuable food for a good discussion.
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> parminder 
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> On Saturday 16 March 2013 12:45 PM, parminder wrote:
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>> On Saturday 16 March 2013 09:46 AM, Avri Doria wrote:
>>> Hi,
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>>> I do not support sending a letter.
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>>> If indeed they are being treated as another Stakeholder group, I do not see what job we have interfering with their selection processes. Just as we would be highly offended if they told Civil Society how to select candidates.
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>>> I am not making a judgement on any candidate or on their process, which I know nothing about. Or even on the issue of whether they should be treated as a separate Stakeholder group. I just think it is not our business to comment on their process or criteria.
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>> Avri
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>> Are you saying that if the business community focal point was to send out a message that only representatives of businesses that have an annual turnover in excess of $ I billion may apply to be considered for for private sector membership of the CSTD WG, we as in the IGC should have nothing to say?
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>> Or, even if UN comes up with a process whereby government membership CSTD WG is based on the GDP of a country, the IGC should have nothing to say?
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>> This is the problem with a certain kind of MSism - a very poor conception of the fact that all political processes are aimed at a common public interest. Accordingly, all public actors involved in the process are accountable to the people, and to every and any other public actor...... This is how I see this kind of MSism causing grievous hurt to democracy, and all tenets of public life. 
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>> When you say that the focal points for chosing 'technical and academic community' representatives have no accountability to a civil society group and we cannot ask questions from them, you are saying that they have no accountability to the public. I am really shocked to hear this. I have no idea what your conception of civil society really is, and those of others who have come up with similar views. I think we as IGC need to figure out who we are, and what we think civil society is, and what all are its purposes etc...... 
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>> I will like to have a clear articulation from this group, if needed through a vote, whether we really think that focal points for selecting reps of different stakeholders for a public body have no accountability to the public, and whether a civil society group can or cannot legitimately ask transparency and accountability related questions from them.
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>> This point of process perhaps must be clarified before we go into the substance of our questions to the focal point for 'tech and academic communities'. 
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>> parminder
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>>> avri
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>>> On 15 Mar 2013, at 19:05, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
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>>>> Following on from discussions in the main thread on this topic (I'm starting a new thread to improve visibility), I have quickly drafted a letter that outlines the concerns that a number of us have expressed:
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>>>> http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/isoc-letter
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>>>> You can make changes in-line, or you can make comments using the chat pane on the right hand side.
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