[governance] COMMENTS SOUGHT: draft letter to ISOC on selection of T&A nominees for CSTD WG on EC

[parminder]

On Saturday 16 March 2013 12:48 PM, parminder wrote:
>
> Also, Avri, perhaps you can also tell us whether you consider yourself 
> as a member of the technical community or not. (and if you do not. how 
> do you define the membership of technical community). McTim BTW 
> refused to answer this direct question which I directed at him 
> yesterday. Your replies may just give the IGC some valuable food for a 
> good discussion.

BTW, as my email yesterday to McTim makes it obvious, I myself accept 
overlaps between tech community and civil society. But I want you hear 
about your own self identification and views on this subject...
>
> parminder
>
>
> On Saturday 16 March 2013 12:45 PM, parminder wrote:
>>
>> On Saturday 16 March 2013 09:46 AM, Avri Doria wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I do not support sending a letter.
>>>
>>> If indeed they are being treated as another Stakeholder group, I do not see what job we have interfering with their selection processes. Just as we would be highly offended if they told Civil Society how to select candidates.
>>>
>>> I am not making a judgement on any candidate or on their process, which I know nothing about. Or even on the issue of whether they should be treated as a separate Stakeholder group. I just think it is not our business to comment on their process or criteria.
>>
>> Avri
>>
>> Are you saying that if the business community focal point was to send 
>> out a message that only representatives of businesses that have an 
>> annual turnover in excess of $ I billion may apply to be considered 
>> for for private sector membership of the CSTD WG, we as in the IGC 
>> should have nothing to say?
>>
>> Or, even if UN comes up with a process whereby government membership 
>> CSTD WG is based on the GDP of a country, the IGC should have nothing 
>> to say?
>>
>>
>> This is the problem with a certain kind of MSism - a very poor 
>> conception of the fact that all political processes are aimed at a 
>> common public interest. Accordingly, all public actors involved in 
>> the process are accountable to the people, and to every and any other 
>> public actor...... This is how I see this kind of MSism causing 
>> grievous hurt to democracy, and all tenets of public life.
>>
>>
>> When you say that the focal points for chosing 'technical and 
>> academic community' representatives have no accountability to a civil 
>> society group and we cannot ask questions from them, you are saying 
>> that they have no accountability to the public. I am really shocked 
>> to hear this. I have no idea what your conception of civil society 
>> really is, and those of others who have come up with similar views. I 
>> think we as IGC need to figure out who we are, and what we think 
>> civil society is, and what all are its purposes etc......
>>
>> */I will like to have a clear articulation from this group, if needed 
>> through a vote, whether we really think that focal points for 
>> selecting reps of different stakeholders for a public body have no 
>> accountability to the public, and whether a civil society group can 
>> or cannot legitimately ask transparency and accountability related 
>> questions /**/from them./*
>>
>> This point of process perhaps must be clarified before we go into the 
>> substance of our questions to the focal point for 'tech and academic 
>> communities'.
>>
>>
>> parminder
>>
>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15 Mar 2013, at 19:05, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
>>>
>>>> Following on from discussions in the main thread on this topic (I'm starting a new thread to improve visibility), I have quickly drafted a letter that outlines the concerns that a number of us have expressed:
>>>>
>>>> http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/isoc-letter
>>>>
>>>> You can make changes in-line, or you can make comments using the chat pane on the right hand side.
>>>>
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