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<font face="Verdana">Also, Avri, perhaps you can also tell us
whether you consider yourself as a member of the technical
community or not. (and if you do not. how do you define the
membership of technical community). McTim BTW refused to answer
this direct question which I directed at him yesterday. Your
replies may just give the IGC some valuable food for a good
discussion.<br>
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parminder <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 16 March 2013 12:45 PM,
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<pre wrap="">Hi,
I do not support sending a letter.
If indeed they are being treated as another Stakeholder group, I do not see what job we have interfering with their selection processes. Just as we would be highly offended if they told Civil Society how to select candidates.
I am not making a judgement on any candidate or on their process, which I know nothing about. Or even on the issue of whether they should be treated as a separate Stakeholder group. I just think it is not our business to comment on their process or criteria.</pre>
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Avri<br>
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Are you saying that if the business community focal point was to
send out a message that only representatives of businesses that
have an annual turnover in excess of $ I billion may apply to be
considered for for private sector membership of the CSTD WG, we as
in the IGC should have nothing to say?<br>
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Or, even if UN comes up with a process whereby government
membership CSTD WG is based on the GDP of a country, the IGC
should have nothing to say?<br>
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This is the problem with a certain kind of MSism - a very poor
conception of the fact that all political processes are aimed at a
common public interest. Accordingly, all public actors involved in
the process are accountable to the people, and to every and any
other public actor...... This is how I see this kind of MSism
causing grievous hurt to democracy, and all tenets of public life.
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When you say that the focal points for chosing 'technical and
academic community' representatives have no accountability to a
civil society group and we cannot ask questions from them, you are
saying that they have no accountability to the public. I am really
shocked to hear this. I have no idea what your conception of civil
society really is, and those of others who have come up with
similar views. I think we as IGC need to figure out who we are,
and what we think civil society is, and what all are its purposes
etc...... <br>
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<b><i>I will like to have a clear articulation from this group, if
needed through a vote, whether we really think that focal
points for selecting reps of different stakeholders for a
public body have no accountability to the public, and whether
a civil society group can or cannot legitimately ask
transparency and accountability related questions </i></b><b><i>from
them.</i></b><br>
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This point of process perhaps must be clarified before we go into
the substance of our questions to the focal point for 'tech and
academic communities'. <br>
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parminder<br>
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On 15 Mar 2013, at 19:05, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Following on from discussions in the main thread on this topic (I'm starting a new thread to improve visibility), I have quickly drafted a letter that outlines the concerns that a number of us have expressed:
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