[governance] RE: [bestbits] What is 1Net? Blog post by Paul Wilson of APNIC

[Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro]

On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:

>  I have direct experience in ARIN of individuals affiliated with
> government _agencies_ making a policy proposal and participating as peers
> in the process. I have also seen specific agencies of national govts
> contract with experts to represent their positions in bottom up processes.
>
>  Mostly, that's ok with me.
>
>  But this is the "disaggregated" model I referred to. There is no system
> of representation of "government" in ARIN, or RIPE, afaik. I think it is
> dangerous to speak of "government" as a stakeholder, if by government one
> means things like "Australia" or "the United States of America" or "China."
> I would not want to see any RIR's representational or participatory
> structure modified to incorporate representation of a government qua
> government - as I said, such a system is fundamentally incompatible with
> bottom up MSM.
>
>  --MM
>
>
[Sala: +1 MM]

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> *From:* McTim [dogwallah at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 01, 2013 3:37 PM
> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Milton L Mueller
> *Cc:* Andrea Glorioso
> *Subject:* Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] What is 1Net? Blog post by
> Paul Wilson of APNIC
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
>
>>  I might add one other thing.
>>
>> When Paul Wilson and other representatives of I* governance organizations
>> happily concede that 'governments are stakeholders too' I believe that what
>> they are doing is proposing a political bargain, not a coherent mode of
>> governance.
>>
>
>  or perhaps simply describing reality as they experience it?
>
>  As a member of the ARIN AC, you have first hand experience with
> Government types being active in RIR policy formation.  IS this not a
> "coherent form' of IG?
>
>
>
>
>>
>>  In other words, they are trying to reach an accommodation with
>> nation-states that will preserve key elements of the status quo by
>> reassuring state actors that they will not be left out of or excluded from
>> the system. By calling states-as-unitary-actors "stakeholders" who must be
>> specially accommodated through contradictory and dysfunctional arrangements
>> like the GAC, they are literally compromising what we know about how MS
>> governance works in order to buy greater political support for the new
>> institutions from the old institutions.
>>
>
>  I agree that "separate and unequal"  a la GAC, is suboptimal
>
>  --
> Cheers,
>
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route
> indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
>
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