[governance] Big Porn v. Big Web Ruling Could Spell Trouble for ICANN / was Re: new gTLDs

Tue Sep 11 22:53:04 EDT 2012

+1 on the maturity bit.

Here we normally consider a 14 year old organization "mature" - but like
Avri says

> "But first we ICANN folks (Staff, Board and Volunteers) gotta get a shit
> together and grow up.
> *And start working on its life plan*."

I feel, too, that ICANN should be able to take care of itself sufficiently
not to need a babysitter. I think most would agree on this.

But how do we do the 'working on it's life plan' bit?

-C

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 4:53 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>wrote:

> +1
> It's all about maturity. Can a multi-stakeholder system become mature
> enough to *not* require a top-down oversight body? I'd like to believe
> that.
>
> Kindest regards,
>
> Olivier
> (my own views)
>
>
> On 12/09/2012 00:32, Ian Peter wrote:
> > Glad to see these comments by Lee and Avri.  Here is my original
> proposition
> >
> > I come back to my original position  and perhaps the only one where we
> > might get some agreement and also even the possibility of some action.
> The
> > authorisation role is completely unnecessary, whether carried out by USA
> or
> > UN or whatever. Please do not transfer it to another body  just remove
> it.
> > The authorisation is based on recommendations involving a set of very
> > consultative and exhaustive procedures. Once the ICANN processes
> recommend a
> > change after these consultations, let that be the final authorisation.
> >
> >
> > I can perceive a situation where USA might actually accept that
> proposition,
> > consistent with increasing independence of ICANN.  I cant see a situation
> > where they transfer their authorisation function to any other body.
> >
> >
> > Ian Peter
> >
> >
> >> From: Avri Doria <avri at ella.com>
> >> Reply-To: <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>, Avri Doria <avri at ella.com>
> >> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:28:28 -0400
> >> To: IGC <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [governance] Big Porn v. Big Web Ruling Could Spell
> Trouble for
> >> ICANN / was Re: new gTLDs
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11 Sep 2012, at 17:33, Lee W McKnight wrote:
> >>
> >>> 1) Free ICANN from hypothetical future USDOC/NTIA interference as Ian
> Peter
> >>> suggested. Which would also free ICANN from any other government
> mucking
> >>> around at that level, in a hypothetical future. Fine by me. Though I
> worry
> >>> ever so slightly that the latest example of ICANN's immaturity (oh
> yeah we
> >>> forgot to put in place a conflict of interest policy for folks about to
> >>> launch a new ICANN-created market)  is not the last example of ICANN
> proving
> >>> in practice to be not really as grown up as ICANN, like most 14 year
> olds,
> >>> claims it is.  Still, the proud parent USG will be more inclined to
> want to
> >>> let the organization grow up and graduate from needing a babysitter,
> than
> >>> accept other's suggestions that they would be better parents. Still we
> can
> >>> imagine...
> >>
> >> This is basically the option I opt for.
> >>
> >> First work to get ICANN to grow up and deserve to move out of the house.
> >>
> >> Then convince the parents and all the aunts and uncles that it is time
> for
> >> ICANN to move out on the NTIA house because they are gown-up and have a
> viable
> >> life plan.
> >>
> >> I bet that if this state is reached, NTIA would even help.  Just a
> guess, but
> >> I'd bet.
> >>
> >> But first we ICANN folks (Staff, Board and Volunteers) gotta get a shit
> >> together and grow up.
> >> And start working on its life plan.
> >>
> >> I think progress is being made, but is it as good as we would like of
> course
> >> not.
> >> More time and participation is needed.
> >>
> >> I beleive it can happen.
> >> In fact I expect that it eventually will.
> >> I just have no idea how long eventually will take.
> >>
> >> avri
> >>
> >>
> >>
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