<div>+1 on the maturity bit. </div><div> </div><div>Here we normally consider a 14 year old organization "mature" - but like Avri says</div><div> </div><div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote">
"But first we ICANN folks (Staff, Board and Volunteers) gotta get a shit together and grow up.<br><strong>And start working on its life plan</strong>."</blockquote><span></span><div> </div><div>I feel, too, that ICANN should be able to take care of itself sufficiently not to need a babysitter. I think most would agree on this. </div>
<div> </div><div>But how do we do the 'working on it's life plan' bit? </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>-C</div><div> </div></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 4:53 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid" class="gmail_quote">+1<br>
It's all about maturity. Can a multi-stakeholder system become mature<br>
enough to *not* require a top-down oversight body? I'd like to believe that.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
(my own views)<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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On 12/09/2012 00:32, Ian Peter wrote:<br>
> Glad to see these comments by Lee and Avri. Here is my original proposition<br>
><br>
> I come back to my original position and perhaps the only one where we<br>
> might get some agreement and also even the possibility of some action. The<br>
> authorisation role is completely unnecessary, whether carried out by USA or<br>
> UN or whatever. Please do not transfer it to another body just remove it.<br>
> The authorisation is based on recommendations involving a set of very<br>
> consultative and exhaustive procedures. Once the ICANN processes recommend a<br>
> change after these consultations, let that be the final authorisation.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I can perceive a situation where USA might actually accept that proposition,<br>
> consistent with increasing independence of ICANN. I cant see a situation<br>
> where they transfer their authorisation function to any other body.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Ian Peter<br>
><br>
><br>
>> From: Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@ella.com">avri@ella.com</a>><br>
>> Reply-To: <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>>, Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@ella.com">avri@ella.com</a>><br>
>> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:28:28 -0400<br>
>> To: IGC <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [governance] Big Porn v. Big Web Ruling Could Spell Trouble for<br>
>> ICANN / was Re: new gTLDs<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 11 Sep 2012, at 17:33, Lee W McKnight wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> 1) Free ICANN from hypothetical future USDOC/NTIA interference as Ian Peter<br>
>>> suggested. Which would also free ICANN from any other government mucking<br>
>>> around at that level, in a hypothetical future. Fine by me. Though I worry<br>
>>> ever so slightly that the latest example of ICANN's immaturity (oh yeah we<br>
>>> forgot to put in place a conflict of interest policy for folks about to<br>
>>> launch a new ICANN-created market) is not the last example of ICANN proving<br>
>>> in practice to be not really as grown up as ICANN, like most 14 year olds,<br>
>>> claims it is. Still, the proud parent USG will be more inclined to want to<br>
>>> let the organization grow up and graduate from needing a babysitter, than<br>
>>> accept other's suggestions that they would be better parents. Still we can<br>
>>> imagine...<br>
>><br>
>> This is basically the option I opt for.<br>
>><br>
>> First work to get ICANN to grow up and deserve to move out of the house.<br>
>><br>
>> Then convince the parents and all the aunts and uncles that it is time for<br>
>> ICANN to move out on the NTIA house because they are gown-up and have a viable<br>
>> life plan.<br>
>><br>
>> I bet that if this state is reached, NTIA would even help. Just a guess, but<br>
>> I'd bet.<br>
>><br>
>> But first we ICANN folks (Staff, Board and Volunteers) gotta get a shit<br>
>> together and grow up.<br>
>> And start working on its life plan.<br>
>><br>
>> I think progress is being made, but is it as good as we would like of course<br>
>> not.<br>
>> More time and participation is needed.<br>
>><br>
>> I beleive it can happen.<br>
>> In fact I expect that it eventually will.<br>
>> I just have no idea how long eventually will take.<br>
>><br>
>> avri<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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