[governance] In Multistakeholderism, those who would be Lobbyists become Legislators, & nobody else has a vote

[Riaz K Tayob]

Representative fora are essentially zero sum games (my time taken for 
representation undermines others speaking time or what have you), which 
is not to say they do not have a role to play in generating legitimacy, 
dialogue and consultation... but these are distinct from deliberative 
fora wherein reason/power/argument/evidence etc are used to get at a 
decision... methinks that one of the issues is that representivity is 
conflated with deliberation...
On 2012/10/27 12:59 PM, Baudouin Schombe wrote:
> Let us agree in the different approaches:
> -the multi-stakeholder approach is the formula that has been and is 
> regularly required in almost all processes of representation or decision;
> -if we consider the democratic dimension of the multi-stakeholder 
> approach, it is necessary to define a procedure for every country, 
> every community or different actors involved in the topic or issue;
> -when we accept and agree to the procedure, there is of course in 
> terms of lobbyist becomes legislator it will also set the rules and 
> the profile of the person or persons need.
>
> Baudouin
>
> 2012/10/26 Norbert Klein <nhklein at gmx.net <mailto:nhklein at gmx.net>>
>
>     On 10/24/2012 9:12 AM, Paul Lehto wrote:
>>     The subject line says it most succinctly: In Multistakeholderism,
>>     those who would be Lobbyists become Legislators, & nobody else
>>     has a vote.
>>
>>     In a democracy, it is a scandal that lobbyists have so much
>>     influence that they even write the drafts of laws. But in
>>     multistakeholder situations they take that scandal to a whole new
>>     level:  those who would be lobbyists in a democracy
>>     (corporations, experts, civil society) become the legislators
>>     themselves, 
>
>     No.
>
>     There is not only ONE stakeholder who becomes THE legislator - but
>     there are MULTI stakeholders. In the absence and impossibility of
>     taking universal votes on IG issues, I am not surprised about -
>     and I share - the opinion of many that multi-stakeholder systems
>     are the most practical ones that avoid that ONE stakeholder
>     decides everything, and gives many opinions access to public
>     discussion, even while decisions are organized not as a result of
>     a vote in a multi-stakeholder forum.
>
>     Norbert Klein
>     Phnom Penh/Cambodia
>
>>     and dispense with all public elections and not only write the
>>     laws but pass them, enforce them, and in some cases even set up
>>     courts of arbitration that are usually conditioned on waiving the
>>     right to go to the court system set up by democracies.
>>
>>     A vote is just a minimum requirement of justice. Without a vote,
>>     law is just force inflicted by the wealthy and powerful.
>>     Multistakeholderism is a coup d'etat against democracy by those
>>     who would merely be lobbyists in a democratic system.  So yes, I
>>     think it is misleading at best to use the word "democratic" in
>>     reference to multistakeholder systems.
>>
>>     Paul R. Lehto, J.D.
>>     -- 
>>     Paul R Lehto, J.D.
>>     P.O. Box 1
>>     Ishpeming, MI  49849
>>     lehto.paul at gmail.com <mailto:lehto.paul at gmail.com>
>>     906-204-4965 (cell)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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