[governance] Blogpost: Gmail Hell Day 4: Dealing with the Borg (Or "Being Evil" Without Really Thinking About It

[Thomas Lowenhaupt]

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On 2/28/2012 4:30 PM, Ginger Paque wrote:
> *//*
> Mike makes a very important point here, so I am going to repeat it, 
> with a small addition:
>
> Gmail and Google services are NOT FREE.
>
> We don't just pay by watching ads. We pay with our information, and by 
> giving up our privacy.
>
> Cheers,
> Ginger
>
>
> On 28 February 2012 16:36, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com 
> <mailto:gurstein at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Gmail is NOT a free service...
>
>     The ad in my gmail screen for travel medicine services just as I'm
>     about to
>     leave on a trip to Brazil would I think give a rather direct lie
>     to that
>     dead parrot.
>
>     M
>
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>     <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; Norbert Bollow
>     Subject: Re: [governance] Blogpost: Gmail Hell Day 4: Dealing with
>     the Borg
>     (Or "Being Evil" Without Really Thinking About It
>
>
>     On 2/28/12, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch <mailto:nb at bollow.ch>> wrote:
>     > McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com <mailto:dogwallah at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     >> what action and by whom?
>     >
>     > I have in recent postings suggested two possible strategies for
>     > addressing the kind of problem that Mike had with Gmail,
>     together with
>     > actors able to take such action:
>     >
>     > a) The problem could be addressed by empowering end users to switch
>     > email service providers without changing their email addresses. I
>     > suggested that CCTLD operators would be able to make a category of
>     > inexpensive third-level domain names available for this.
>
>     Google and KENIC have already done this in Kenya, but I digress.
>
>     How would this alleviate a situation like M.G.s?
>
>     >
>     > b) The problem could be addressed by creating a standards-track RFC
>     > that promotes better behavior
>
>     Please specify what behavior needs to be better.  IIUC, user is
>     POPing years
>     of his gmail into outlook.  How can you legislate/write an RFC
>     about that?
>     If i am offering a free webmail, and someone tries to POP 12 Gigs
>     of data
>     off it,  I'm going to have a script that automagically shuts down that
>     behavior until a human can look into it!
>
>      by specifying MUSTs and SHOULDs that
>     > will, when followed by companies like Google, resolve the problem.
>     > This would obviously be an action to be taken at IETF. (If
>     contrary to
>     > my expectations, a good RFC is created but not followed, I said the
>     > issue could still be escalated by submitting the RFC to ISO/IEC and
>     > then legislative action to declare conformance to the resulting
>     > legally required for a category of companies.)
>
>     I think that's just adding another layer of bureaucracy to fix a
>     problem
>     that doesn't exist.
>
>
>     >
>     >> IF (and it's pretty big IF IMHO) email is a public utility
>     >
>     > This is a question of definition of the term "public utility" to a
>     > large extent -- email and any other service that can without
>     > fundamental problem be provided from anywhere in the world (provided
>     > there is good Internet Protocol transport layer connectivity) should
>     > certainly economically and legally be considered to be not in
>     the same
>     > category of public utilities as traditional public utilities
>     like the
>     > provision of water, electricity and traditional telephone
>     service that
>     > involve digging ditches or hanging wires on poles to connect end
>     users
>     > to the service.
>
>     am glad we agree!
>
>     --
>     Cheers,
>
>     McTim
>     "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is.
>     A route
>     indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
>
>
>
>
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