[governance] Blogpost: Gmail Hell Day 4: Dealing with the Borg (Or "Being Evil" Without Really Thinking About It

[Ginger Paque]

**
Mike makes a very important point here, so I am going to repeat it, with a
small addition:

Gmail and Google services are NOT FREE.

We don't just pay by watching ads. We pay with our information, and by
giving up our privacy.

Cheers,
Ginger


On 28 February 2012 16:36, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:

> Gmail is NOT a free service...
>
> The ad in my gmail screen for travel medicine services just as I'm about to
> leave on a trip to Brazil would I think give a rather direct lie to that
> dead parrot.
>
> M
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:07 AM
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Norbert Bollow
> Subject: Re: [governance] Blogpost: Gmail Hell Day 4: Dealing with the Borg
> (Or "Being Evil" Without Really Thinking About It
>
>
> On 2/28/12, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
> > McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> what action and by whom?
> >
> > I have in recent postings suggested two possible strategies for
> > addressing the kind of problem that Mike had with Gmail, together with
> > actors able to take such action:
> >
> > a) The problem could be addressed by empowering end users to switch
> > email service providers without changing their email addresses. I
> > suggested that CCTLD operators would be able to make a category of
> > inexpensive third-level domain names available for this.
>
> Google and KENIC have already done this in Kenya, but I digress.
>
> How would this alleviate a situation like M.G.s?
>
> >
> > b) The problem could be addressed by creating a standards-track RFC
> > that promotes better behavior
>
> Please specify what behavior needs to be better.  IIUC, user is POPing
> years
> of his gmail into outlook.  How can you legislate/write an RFC about that?
> If i am offering a free webmail, and someone tries to POP 12 Gigs of data
> off it,  I'm going to have a script that automagically shuts down that
> behavior until a human can look into it!
>
>  by specifying MUSTs and SHOULDs that
> > will, when followed by companies like Google, resolve the problem.
> > This would obviously be an action to be taken at IETF. (If contrary to
> > my expectations, a good RFC is created but not followed, I said the
> > issue could still be escalated by submitting the RFC to ISO/IEC and
> > then legislative action to declare conformance to the resulting
> > legally required for a category of companies.)
>
> I think that's just adding another layer of bureaucracy to fix a problem
> that doesn't exist.
>
>
> >
> >> IF (and it's pretty big IF IMHO) email is a public utility
> >
> > This is a question of definition of the term "public utility" to a
> > large extent -- email and any other service that can without
> > fundamental problem be provided from anywhere in the world (provided
> > there is good Internet Protocol transport layer connectivity) should
> > certainly economically and legally be considered to be not in the same
> > category of public utilities as traditional public utilities like the
> > provision of water, electricity and traditional telephone service that
> > involve digging ditches or hanging wires on poles to connect end users
> > to the service.
>
> am glad we agree!
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> McTim
> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route
> indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
>
>
>
>
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