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On 2/28/2012 4:30 PM, Ginger Paque wrote:
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</span>Mike makes a very important point here, so I am going to
repeat it, with a small addition:<br>
<br>
Gmail and Google services are NOT FREE.<br>
<br>
We don't just pay by watching ads. We pay with our information,
and by giving up our privacy.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Ginger<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 28 February 2012 16:36, michael
gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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Gmail is NOT a free service...<br>
<br>
The ad in my gmail screen for travel medicine services just as
I'm about to<br>
leave on a trip to Brazil would I think give a rather direct
lie to that<br>
dead parrot.<br>
<br>
M<br>
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On Behalf Of McTim<br>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:07 AM<br>
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Norbert Bollow<br>
Subject: Re: [governance] Blogpost: Gmail Hell Day 4: Dealing
with the Borg<br>
(Or "Being Evil" Without Really Thinking About It<br>
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On 2/28/12, Norbert Bollow <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch">nb@bollow.ch</a>> wrote:<br>
> McTim <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
>> what action and by whom?<br>
><br>
> I have in recent postings suggested two possible
strategies for<br>
> addressing the kind of problem that Mike had with Gmail,
together with<br>
> actors able to take such action:<br>
><br>
> a) The problem could be addressed by empowering end users
to switch<br>
> email service providers without changing their email
addresses. I<br>
> suggested that CCTLD operators would be able to make a
category of<br>
> inexpensive third-level domain names available for this.<br>
<br>
Google and KENIC have already done this in Kenya, but I
digress.<br>
<br>
How would this alleviate a situation like M.G.s?<br>
<br>
><br>
> b) The problem could be addressed by creating a
standards-track RFC<br>
> that promotes better behavior<br>
<br>
Please specify what behavior needs to be better. IIUC, user
is POPing years<br>
of his gmail into outlook. How can you legislate/write an RFC
about that?<br>
If i am offering a free webmail, and someone tries to POP 12
Gigs of data<br>
off it, I'm going to have a script that automagically shuts
down that<br>
behavior until a human can look into it!<br>
<br>
by specifying MUSTs and SHOULDs that<br>
> will, when followed by companies like Google, resolve the
problem.<br>
> This would obviously be an action to be taken at IETF.
(If contrary to<br>
> my expectations, a good RFC is created but not followed,
I said the<br>
> issue could still be escalated by submitting the RFC to
ISO/IEC and<br>
> then legislative action to declare conformance to the
resulting<br>
> legally required for a category of companies.)<br>
<br>
I think that's just adding another layer of bureaucracy to fix
a problem<br>
that doesn't exist.<br>
<br>
<br>
><br>
>> IF (and it's pretty big IF IMHO) email is a public
utility<br>
><br>
> This is a question of definition of the term "public
utility" to a<br>
> large extent -- email and any other service that can
without<br>
> fundamental problem be provided from anywhere in the
world (provided<br>
> there is good Internet Protocol transport layer
connectivity) should<br>
> certainly economically and legally be considered to be
not in the same<br>
> category of public utilities as traditional public
utilities like the<br>
> provision of water, electricity and traditional telephone
service that<br>
> involve digging ditches or hanging wires on poles to
connect end users<br>
> to the service.<br>
<br>
am glad we agree!<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
McTim<br>
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where
it is. A route<br>
indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
<br>
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