[governance] RE: Internet Society's Statement Addressing Reported Attacks Against the ITU Website

Fri Dec 7 12:43:21 EST 2012

Mike,

conspiranoia, aspersion-casting and theory apart, you'd do well to read the lists of targets. They far exceed the ITU and include all sorts of organizations, like legislatures and commerce chambers worldwide. Internet Governance actually happens in a world of practical application as well.

Yours,

Alejandro Pisanty

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Desde: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] en nombre de michael gurstein [gurstein at gmail.com]
Enviado el: viernes, 07 de diciembre de 2012 11:36
Hasta: 'John Curran'
CC: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
Asunto: [governance] RE: Internet Society's Statement Addressing Reported Attacks Against the ITU Website

Thanks John, for pointing to the "Anonymous" screed and indicating that the "Attacks Against the ITU Website" should probably be seen rather more in the context of "Direct Action<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_action>" than of an externally instigated "lynch mob<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynch_mob>".

Also, BTB, the "Anonymous" screed that you point to is very interesting in itself (and dare I say rather more useful than almost all of the various anti-ITU interventions including that from ISOC in that it actually ties its comments back into a framework other than vituperative anti-ITU (and by implication anti-UN) rhetorical flourishes and into a larger analysis of the necessarily evolving broader context of global governance).

Their analysis and prescriptions aren't one's I necessarily agree with, but they are contributions to that larger discussion that unfortunately the overblown rhetoric of the last several months has served only to obscure--in this way serving should I say, and perhaps not incidentally, the interests of certain national and corporate entities.

M

From: John Curran [mailto:jcurran at istaff.org]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 8:01 AM
To: michael gurstein
Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
Subject: Re: Internet Society's Statement Addressing Reported Attacks Against the ITU Website

On Dec 7, 2012, at 10:14 AM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com<mailto:gurstein at gmail.com>> wrote:
(Regarding Sally Wentworth's "Please take note of the below statement from ISOC with regards to reported attacks against the ITU Website during the WCIT.")

It is extremely difficult to stop a lynch mob.

It is important keep in mind that the number of machines in a DDoS attack does not
equal the number of actual actors; i.e. 100 thousand people protesting by gathering
in a city square is a definitely a demonstration of civil empowerment, whereas 100
thousand machines performing a denial of service attack against a web site could
 be just three upset people with the right set of tools at their disposal.

As some of the statements explaining the need for such attacks would imply that
it is being done to protect the existing system (including ICANN, ISOC, & RIRs)
<http://legionnet.inc.nl.eu.org/2012/12/stop-madness-anonymous-counterproposal.html>,
it is perfectly reasonable for ISOC to issue a statement indicating that closing down
communications as a protest is both counterproductive and contrary to the very
idea of open MS participation for all.

FYI,
/John

Disclaimers: My views alone.  Websites which contain these views are not responsible
for their content and should not be attacked solely on that basis.  Coming up with other
pretenses for vigilate action against such websites is left as an exercise for the reader.

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