[governance] RE: Internet Society's Statement Addressing Reported Attacks Against the ITU Website

[Diego Rafael Canabarro]

"We all have a vote.  Everybody.  All over the world, whoever has access to
the internet."

Ain't that (very) exclusionary?

Regards
Diego

On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 12:36 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks John, for pointing to the "Anonymous" screed and indicating that
> the "Attacks Against the ITU Website" should probably be seen rather more
> in the context of "Direct Action<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_action>"
> than of an externally instigated "lynch mob<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynch_mob>
> ".****
>
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>
> Also, BTB, the "Anonymous" screed that you point to is very interesting in
> itself (and dare I say rather more useful than almost all of the various
> anti-ITU interventions including that from ISOC in that it actually ties
> its comments back into a framework other than vituperative anti-ITU (and by
> implication anti-UN) rhetorical flourishes and into a larger analysis of
> the necessarily evolving broader context of global governance). ****
>
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>
> Their analysis and prescriptions aren't one's I necessarily agree with,
> but they are contributions to that larger discussion that unfortunately the
> overblown rhetoric of the last several months has served only to
> obscure--in this way serving should I say, and perhaps not incidentally,
> the interests of certain national and corporate entities.****
>
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> M****
>
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>
> *From:* John Curran [mailto:jcurran at istaff.org]
> *Sent:* Friday, December 07, 2012 8:01 AM
> *To:* michael gurstein
> *Cc:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> *Subject:* Re: Internet Society's Statement Addressing Reported Attacks
> Against the ITU Website****
>
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>
> On Dec 7, 2012, at 10:14 AM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:*
> ***
>
> (Regarding Sally Wentworth's "Please take note of the below statement from
> ISOC with regards to reported attacks against the ITU Website during the
> WCIT.")****
>
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>
> It is extremely difficult to stop a lynch mob.****
>
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>
> It is important keep in mind that the number of machines in a DDoS attack
> does not ****
>
> equal the number of actual actors; i.e. 100 thousand people protesting
> by gathering ****
>
> in a city square is a definitely a demonstration of civil empowerment,
> whereas 100 ****
>
> thousand machines performing a denial of service attack against a web site
> could****
>
>  be just three upset people with the right set of tools at their disposal.
> ****
>
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>
> As some of the statements explaining the need for such attacks would imply
> that****
>
> it is being done to protect the existing system (including ICANN, ISOC, &
> RIRs)****
>
> <
> http://legionnet.inc.nl.eu.org/2012/12/stop-madness-anonymous-counterproposal.html
> >,****
>
> it is perfectly reasonable for ISOC to issue a statement indicating that
> closing down****
>
> communications as a protest is both counterproductive and contrary to the
> very****
>
> idea of open MS participation for all.****
>
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> FYI,****
>
> /John ****
>
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>
> Disclaimers: My views alone.  Websites which contain these views are not
> responsible****
>
> for their content and should not be attacked solely on that basis.  Coming
> up with other****
>
> pretenses for vigilate action against such websites is left as an exercise
> for the reader.****
>
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