<span style="font-family:Georgia,Utopia,'Palatino Linotype',Palatino,serif;font-size:17px;line-height:23px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">"We all have a vote. Everybody. All over the world, whoever has access to the internet."</span><div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">Ain't that (very) exclusionary?</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">Regards</div><div class="gmail_quote">Diego</div><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 12:36 PM, michael gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thanks John, for pointing to the "Anonymous" screed and indicating that the "Attacks Against the ITU Website" should probably be seen rather more in the context of "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_action" target="_blank">Direct Action</a>" than of an externally instigated "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynch_mob" target="_blank">lynch mob</a>".<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Also, BTB, the "Anonymous" screed that you point to is very interesting in itself (and dare I say rather more useful than almost all of the various anti-ITU interventions including that from ISOC in that it actually ties its comments back into a framework other than vituperative anti-ITU (and by implication anti-UN) rhetorical flourishes and into a larger analysis of the necessarily evolving broader context of global governance). <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Their analysis and prescriptions aren't one's I necessarily agree with, but they are contributions to that larger discussion that unfortunately the overblown rhetoric of the last several months has served only to obscure--in this way serving should I say, and perhaps not incidentally, the interests of certain national and corporate entities.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">M<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> John Curran [mailto:<a href="mailto:jcurran@istaff.org" target="_blank">jcurran@istaff.org</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 07, 2012 8:01 AM<br><b>To:</b> michael gurstein<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Internet Society's Statement Addressing Reported Attacks Against the ITU Website<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 7, 2012, at 10:14 AM, michael gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">(Regarding Sally Wentworth's "Please take note of the below statement from ISOC with regards to reported attacks against the ITU Website during the WCIT.")<u></u><u></u></p>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#007316"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It is extremely difficult to stop a lynch mob.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">It is important keep in mind that the number of machines in a DDoS attack does not <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">equal the number of actual actors; i.e. 100 thousand people protesting by gathering <u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">in a city square is a definitely a demonstration of civil empowerment, whereas 100 <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">thousand machines performing a denial of service attack against a web site could<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> be just three upset people with the right set of tools at their disposal.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">As some of the statements explaining the need for such attacks would imply that<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">it is being done to protect the existing system (including ICANN, ISOC, & RIRs)<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><<a href="http://legionnet.inc.nl.eu.org/2012/12/stop-madness-anonymous-counterproposal.html" target="_blank">http://legionnet.inc.nl.eu.org/2012/12/stop-madness-anonymous-counterproposal.html</a>>,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">it is perfectly reasonable for ISOC to issue a statement indicating that closing down<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">communications as a protest is both counterproductive and contrary to the very<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">idea of open MS participation for all.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">FYI,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
/John <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Disclaimers: My views alone. Websites which contain these views are not responsible<u></u><u></u></p></div><div>
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for their content and should not be attacked solely on that basis. Coming up with other<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">pretenses for vigilate action against such websites is left as an exercise for the reader.<u></u><u></u></p>
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