[governance] India's communications minister - root server misunderstanding (still...)

[Riaz K Tayob]

I am reading up on this again, but would defer to the likes of Auerbach, 
and note the concerns of others on the viability of ITU approach (noting 
that the _rumours_ in Geneva at the time of the new SG were that if he 
pursued the CIR thing they would make his term look like a bad one), as 
well as issues for reform of GAC and IANA (as raised by Parminder).

I am of the predisposition, to use a Rumsfeld term, for full spectrum 
engagement, of course not an any means necessary one as resources are 
limited.

So varied proposals need to be supported that implicitly or explicitly 
support issues that increase legitimacy. Partnerships with the likes of 
progressives in these fora need to be built, but I would advise caution 
as some reformists are merely minimal accomodationists instead of 
pursuing something transformatory.

Further, I would love to hear what China is planning nationally (have 
cash and capability - perhaps not everything, but emulation is a 
possibility) as well as on Enhanced Cooperation.

It would be great to see a paper on how the CIR and root and 
relationships have evolved (as a response to or inspite of) legitimacy 
concerns as this would give a spread of the issues.

What proposals are you working on "on the inside" and what do you think 
are useful avenues?

On 2012/08/10 04:04 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch wrote:
> Riaz,
>
> since this never ends let's kick start it in a direction that may give 
> grounds to a discussion that defuses adjectivation and talks about the 
> technology.
>
> Do you believe that the OSI network model, the ETNO proposal to the 
> ITU for WCIT, or some version of what never gets finally defined as 
> NGN can better accomodate Third World concerns than the presently 
> evolving architecture of the Internet?
>
> Nobody is taking away from you the exploration of legitimacy or any 
> other aspect of the Internet. The discussion reaches a cul de sac when 
> it arrives at a point where it is purely political: "remove the US's 
> asymmetric role in the control of updates to the root zone of the 
> DNS." Many wish so, in different degrees and forms, though this list 
> has explored virtually all and any of the imaginable alternatives and 
> failed to find one that's so obvioulsy better than today's evolving 
> situation.
>
> So maybe indeed the model cannnot accomodate that kind of change. Do 
> other models open the door, how, at what balance of cost, benefit, and 
> risk?
>
> Yours,
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
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> *Desde:* governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org 
> [governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] en nombre de Riaz K Tayob 
> [riaz.tayob at gmail.com]
> *Enviado el:* viernes, 10 de agosto de 2012 08:16
> *Hasta:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org; William Drake
> *Asunto:* Re: [governance] India's communications minister - root 
> server misunderstanding (still...)
>
> Bill.
>
> I will avoid the issue of how your views are characterised. That said...
>
> I do not think Parminder represents the entire Third World. Nor has be 
> made claims to that effect - but it is a particular concern coming 
> from some third world people and states.
>
> What is the problem with the references Parminder has provided?
>
> More important for me, is democracy or consensus the only route to a 
> legitimate viewpoint?
>
> If we reason by way of popularity alone, then it is clear why we were 
> led into the "predictable" financial crisis this that led to the 
> financial crisis where reason and thought was a popularity contest 
> (very lucrative if one is a neoliberal apparently) and everyone else 
> was a Dr Doom. Robust engagement is cool, but not if reason is hostage...
>
> Riaz
>
>
>
>
> On 2012/08/10 03:04 PM, William Drake wrote:
>> On Aug 10, 2012, at 2:37 PM, parminder wrote:
>>
>>> When someone says that anyone wanting a change has to "outline said 
>>> plausible alternative and why its risks/costs are less than the 
>>> certainties/benefits of the SQ", and carries on at length to show - 
>>> as most of your email does - that there isnt any clear demand for 
>>> change, and when that someone is not an appointed neutral referee or 
>>> something but a political player in the arena, then that person's 
>>> politics is legitimately called as status quoist. I stick to my 
>>> position.
>>
>> Which willfully misrepresents my clearly stated position,
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2012, at 9:18 AM, William Drake wrote:
>>
>>> While, like many in CS and the TC, I support the concept of 
>>> decoupling root change authorizations from sole USG responsibility 
>>> if and when a plausibly reliable alternative can be 
>>> identified, realistically it has to recognized that this would need 
>>> to be an evolutionary process that plays out over some years, with 
>>> dialogue and collective learning rather than posturing and demanding 
>>> as the lead edge.
>>
>> So I guess we're done.  You can now get back to sending dozens of 
>> long multiscreen messages claiming to be the tribune of the whole 
>> global South which all is just having a collective brain embolism 
>> over zone file signing and berating anyone who dares to ask for 
>> evidence.  It's a proven winner with respect to building the caucus' 
>> internal consensus and external influence.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Bill
>


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