[governance] India's communications minister - root server misunderstanding (still...)

Fri Aug 10 10:04:31 EDT 2012

Riaz,

since this never ends let's kick start it in a direction that may give grounds to a discussion that defuses adjectivation and talks about the technology.

Do you believe that the OSI network model, the ETNO proposal to the ITU for WCIT, or some version of what never gets finally defined as NGN can better accomodate Third World concerns than the presently evolving architecture of the Internet?

Nobody is taking away from you the exploration of legitimacy or any other aspect of the Internet. The discussion reaches a cul de sac when it arrives at a point where it is purely political: "remove the US's asymmetric role in the control of updates to the root zone of the DNS." Many wish so, in different degrees and forms, though this list has explored virtually all and any of the imaginable alternatives and failed to find one that's so obvioulsy better than today's evolving situation.

So maybe indeed the model cannnot accomodate that kind of change. Do other models open the door, how, at what balance of cost, benefit, and risk?

Yours,

Alejandro Pisanty

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Desde: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] en nombre de Riaz K Tayob [riaz.tayob at gmail.com]
Enviado el: viernes, 10 de agosto de 2012 08:16
Hasta: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; William Drake
Asunto: Re: [governance] India's communications minister - root server misunderstanding (still...)

Bill.

I will avoid the issue of how your views are characterised. That said...

I do not think Parminder represents the entire Third World. Nor has be made claims to that effect - but it is a particular concern coming from some third world people and states.

What is the problem with the references Parminder has provided?

More important for me, is democracy or consensus the only route to a legitimate viewpoint?

If we reason by way of popularity alone, then it is clear why we were led into the "predictable" financial crisis this that led to the financial crisis where reason and thought was a popularity contest (very lucrative if one is a neoliberal apparently) and everyone else was a Dr Doom. Robust engagement is cool, but not if reason is hostage...

Riaz

On 2012/08/10 03:04 PM, William Drake wrote:
On Aug 10, 2012, at 2:37 PM, parminder wrote:

When someone says that anyone wanting a change has to "outline said plausible alternative and why its risks/costs are less than the certainties/benefits of the SQ", and carries on at length to show - as most of your email does - that there isnt any clear demand for change, and when that someone is not an appointed neutral referee or something but a political player in the arena, then that person's politics is legitimately called as status quoist. I stick to my position.

Which willfully misrepresents my clearly stated position,

On Aug 10, 2012, at 9:18 AM, William Drake wrote:

While, like many in CS and the TC, I support the concept of decoupling root change authorizations from sole USG responsibility if and when a plausibly reliable alternative can be identified, realistically it has to recognized that this would need to be an evolutionary process that plays out over some years, with dialogue and collective learning rather than posturing and demanding as the lead edge.

So I guess we're done.  You can now get back to sending dozens of long multiscreen messages claiming to be the tribune of the whole global South which all is just having a collective brain embolism over zone file signing and berating anyone who dares to ask for evidence.  It's a proven winner with respect to building the caucus' internal consensus and external influence.

Best,

Bill

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