[governance] PLEASE RESPOND - draft statement on reform of the

Fri Jan 15 09:24:39 EST 2010

I realise that this is probably too late and very poorly stated but PLEASE
could our contribution include a call for continuing work on facilitation of
multilingualism. I am particularly urged to this by the contributions of
Baudoin and "Internauta". The Internet Governance Forum (IGF) has brought us
all together. ALL have the right to speak EACH IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE. (I
recognise that the lingua franca of this list is agreed as English, but
whatever statement is made will be about the IGF generally)

Each of the IGFs I have attended (3 and 4) has expressed concern over access
for people with disabilities. In a world perceived as anglophone it is a
disability not to speak English. Arrangements for the blind and the deaf
have to accommodate themselves to the disability - one doesn't say "learn to
see" to a blind person - and are designed to make two way communication
possible. Language needs to be given similar attention.

One of the most basic of human rights is the right to speak and the right to
have access to what is spoken. This is also a matter of language.

Deirdre

2010/1/15 Eric Dierker <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net>

> I do not think that this was too hard or too much to ask?  In earlier days
> we had "me too" posts. Writers and advocates cannot read minds -- especially
> 400. How do they know when they hit the mark or are offbase. One arguing
> contributor does not help us to read what many think.
>
> I do my best to contact my friends on the ground from Vladivostok to
> Tehran, from Cape Cod to Saigon, Falklands to Paris, Johanasberg to
> Montevideo,,, I read India Times and Al Jazeera, Washington Post (force
> myself to see some TV and listen to some radio) I study on-line and off --
> But I cannot know what the many here think ---. I read Mueller and Williams,
> Faussett and Cerf, Babtista and Avri but they do not help me know what is
> thought in your neighborhood.
>
> Even private posts are helpful.
>
> --- On *Thu, 1/14/10, Dina <dina_hov2007 at yahoo.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Dina <dina_hov2007 at yahoo.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [governance] PLEASE RESPOND - draft statement on reform of the
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Presidencia Internauta" <
> presidencia at internauta.org.ar>
> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 10:59 PM
>
>
>    *Dear Sergio,*
>
> *.***
>
> *But when I see somebody has got my opinion  I see no use to repeat the
> same things . OK I agree with those who think the term "reform" sends a
> message* that could be
>  misinterpreted and/or exploited by actors that strongly oppose the IGF
>
> *Kindest regards*
>
> *  Dina*
> **
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 1/14/10, Presidencia Internauta <
> presidencia at internauta.org.ar>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Presidencia Internauta <presidencia at internauta.org.ar>
> Subject: Re: [governance] PLEASE RESPOND - draft statement on reform of the
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Carlos A. Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca>
> Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 1:23 PM
>
> 
> Spanish & English
> *Spanish*
> Estimados todos: Con respecto a lo sugerido por Souter, creo que es
> importante la representación de sociedad civil y no la de individuos
> aislados. Es necesario que la representación sea de un colectivo de opinión
> y voluntad común y no la del sujeto aislado. Lo que se discute acá es
> siempre en función del hombre como ser colectivo, como expresión de
> intereses comunes y no de intereses individuales, nuestra fortaleza radica
> ahí y no en nuestras individualidades. Me sumo a lo expresado por Baudouin
> con respecto a seguir lo que se discute en la lista;  estoy al tanto de lo
> que se discute aunque poco he podido hacer en función de la brecha que
> impone el idioma, así y todo estoy todos los días intentando poner mi ingles
> lo mejor posible para poder intervenir más.
>
> Saludos cordiales
>
> *Sergio Salinas Porto*
>
> *Internauta A rgentina*
>
> *Asociación Argentina de Usuarios de Internet*
>
> *http://www.internauta.org.ar* <http://www.internauta.org.ar/>
>
>
>
> *English*
>
> Dear all: On Souter's suggestion, I think it is important according the
> representation of civil society and not isolated individuals. It is
> necessary that the representation is a collective opinion and common will
> and not the isolated individual, What we discuss here is always in terms of
> the man as a collective, as an expression of common interests rather than
> individual interests, our strength lies there and not in ours
> individualities.  I agree with what Baudouin expressed regarding what is
> discussed further in the list. I am aware of what is discussed in the list,
> but little I could do based on the gap imposed by the language; even so I am
> trying every day my English and I put my best to participate more.
> Best regards
>
> *Sergio Salinas Porto*
>
> *Internauta A rgentina*
>
> *Asociación Argentina de Usuarios de Internet*
>
> *http://www.internauta.org.ar* <http://www.internauta.org.ar/>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carlos A. Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca<http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ca@cafonso.ca>
> >
> To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org<http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org>
> >
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [governance] PLEASE RESPOND - draft statement on reform of the
>
> > Thanks, Jeremy. I agree with the suggestions for modification from
> > Souter and others and wait for the updated statement.
> >
> > frt rgds
> >
> > --c.a.
> >
> > Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
> >> On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:34:55 +0100, Bertrand de La Chapelle
> >> <bdelachapelle at gmail.com<http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bdelachapelle@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >>> Hi Jeremy,
> >>>
> >>> Just one (I hope constructive) comment on the interesting draft you
> >>> circulated. The title currently is : "Statement on the reform of the
> >> IGF".
> >>> I believe the use of the term "reform" sends a message that could be
> >>> misinterpreted and/or exploited by actors that strongly oppose the IGF
> >>
> >> Thanks for this point. The title was more of a working title for our
> use,
> >> not specifically to be used when the document is submitted. Thus, the
> word
> >> "reform" is not used in the body text. Thus we can, I agree, submit it
> >> under a more neutral title such as "Submission of the IGC in taking
> stock
> >> of the Sharm el Sheikh meeting of the IGF".
> >>
> >>> A few minor suggested edits (*in blue* with suppressed words in red)
> are
> >>> also included in the text. They usually are pointers to coded words in
> >> the
> >>> UN language or the governmental discussions and it's important for you
> to
> >>> have them in mind.
> >>
> >> Thanks, and thanks also to those who have commented on the preamble and
> >> paragraph 1 so far. Please, anyone, feel free to move on to paragraphs
> 2, 3
> >> and following. I will compile all the suggested changes (where
> compatible)
> >> in a day or two and re-circulate.
> >>
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