I realise that this is probably too late and very poorly stated but PLEASE could our contribution include a call for continuing work on facilitation of multilingualism. I am particularly urged to this by the contributions of Baudoin and "Internauta". The Internet Governance Forum (IGF) has brought us all together. ALL have the right to speak EACH IN HIS OWN LANGUAGE. (I recognise that the lingua franca of this list is agreed as English, but whatever statement is made will be about the IGF generally)<div>
<br></div><div>Each of the IGFs I have attended (3 and 4) has expressed concern over access for people with disabilities. In a world perceived as anglophone it is a disability not to speak English. Arrangements for the blind and the deaf have to accommodate themselves to the disability - one doesn't say "learn to see" to a blind person - and are designed to make two way communication possible. Language needs to be given similar attention.</div>
<div><br></div><div>One of the most basic of human rights is the right to speak and the right to have access to what is spoken. This is also a matter of language.</div><div><br></div><div>Deirdre<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
2010/1/15 Eric Dierker <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net">cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit"><div>I do not think that this was too hard or too much to ask? In earlier days we had "me too" posts. Writers and advocates cannot read minds -- especially 400. How do they know when they hit the mark or are offbase. One arguing contributor does not help us to read what many think.</div>
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<div>I do my best to contact my friends on the ground from Vladivostok to Tehran, from Cape Cod to Saigon, Falklands to Paris, Johanasberg to Montevideo,,, I read India Times and Al Jazeera, Washington Post (force myself to see some TV and listen to some radio) I study on-line and off -- But I cannot know what the many here think ---. I read Mueller and Williams, Faussett and Cerf, Babtista and Avri but they do not help me know what is thought in your neighborhood.</div>
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<div>Even private posts are helpful.<br><br>--- On <b>Thu, 1/14/10, Dina <i><<a href="mailto:dina_hov2007@yahoo.com" target="_blank">dina_hov2007@yahoo.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote style="padding-left:5px;margin-left:5px;border-left:rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><br>From: Dina <<a href="mailto:dina_hov2007@yahoo.com" target="_blank">dina_hov2007@yahoo.com</a>><div class="im"><br>Subject: Re: [governance] PLEASE RESPOND - draft statement on reform of the<br>
</div>To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>, "Presidencia Internauta" <<a href="mailto:presidencia@internauta.org.ar" target="_blank">presidencia@internauta.org.ar</a>><br>
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 10:59 PM<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br>
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<div><strong><font size="3">Dear Sergio,</font></strong></div>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="rtl" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;text-align:left" align="right"><span><font size="4"><span><b><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:10pt;background:white;color:black;line-height:115%">.</span></b></span><span><b><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:10pt;color:black;line-height:115%"></span></b></span></font>
</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" dir="rtl" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;text-align:left" align="right"><span><font size="4"><strong><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:10pt;color:black;line-height:115%">But when I see somebody has got my opinion <span> </span>I see no use to repeat the same things . OK I agree with those who think </span><font size="3">the term "reform" sends a message</font></strong></font><font size="3"> that could be<br>
<span> </span>misinterpreted and/or exploited by actors that strongly oppose the IGF</font></span>
</p><p class="MsoNormal" dir="rtl" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;text-align:left" align="right"><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;line-height:115%;font-family:'Courier New'"><font size="3"><strong>Kindest regards</strong></font></span><span dir="ltr" style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black;line-height:115%;font-family:'Courier New'">
</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" dir="rtl" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;text-align:left" align="right"><font size="3"><strong><span> </span> Dina</strong></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" dir="rtl" style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;text-align:left" align="right"><br>--- On <b>Thu, 1/14/10, Presidencia Internauta <i><<a href="mailto:presidencia@internauta.org.ar" target="_blank">presidencia@internauta.org.ar</a>></i></b> wrote:<br>
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Subject: Re: [governance] PLEASE RESPOND - draft statement on reform of the<br>To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>, "Carlos A. Afonso" <<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca" target="_blank">ca@cafonso.ca</a>><br>
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 1:23 PM<br><br>
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<div><font face="Arial"><font size="2">Estimados todos: Con respecto a lo sugerido por Souter, creo que es importante la representación de sociedad civil y no la de individuos aislados. Es necesario que la representación sea de un colectivo de opinión y voluntad común y no la del sujeto aislado. Lo que se discute acá es siempre en función del hombre como ser colectivo, como expresión de intereses comunes y no de intereses individuales, nuestra fortaleza radica ahí y no en nuestras individualidades. Me sumo a lo expresado por Baudouin con respecto a seguir lo que se discute en la lista; <span> </span>estoy al tanto de lo que se discute aunque poco he podido hacer en función de la brecha que impone el idioma, así y todo estoy todos los días intentando poner mi ingles lo mejor posible para poder intervenir más. </font></font>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Arial"><font size="2">Saludos cordiales</font></font></span></p></div></div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><strong>Sergio Salinas Porto</strong></font></font></span>
</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><strong>Internauta A rgentina</strong></font></font></span>
</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><strong>Asociación Argentina de Usuarios de Internet</strong></font></font></span>
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</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;background:white;font-family:Arial">Dear all: On Souter's suggestion, I think it is important according the representation of civil society and not isolated individuals. </span><span title="Es necesario que la representación sea de un colectivo de opinión y voluntad común y no la del sujeto aislado, lo que discutimos acá es siempre en función del hombre como ser colectivo, como expresión de intereses comunes y no de intereses individuales, nuestra fortaleza radica ahí"><font face="Arial" size="2">It is necessary that the representation is a collective opinion and common will and not the isolated individual, What we discuss here is always in terms of the man as a collective, as an expression of common interests rather than individual interests, our strength lies there </font></span></span><span title="y no en nuestras
individualidades."></span><span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">and not in ours individualities. <span> </span></span><span style="background:white"><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><span title="Me sumo a lo expresado por Baudouin con respecto a seguir lo que se discute en la lista; estoy al tanto de lo que se discute aunque poco he podido hacer en función de la brecha que impone el idioma, así y todo estoy todos los días intentando">I agree with what Baudouin expressed regarding what is discussed further in the list. I am aware of what is discussed in the list, but little I could do based on the gap imposed by the language; even so I am trying every day </span><span title="poner mi ingles lo mejor posible para poder intervenir más.">my English and I put my best to participate more. </span></font></font></span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;background:white;font-family:Arial"><br>
</span><span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><span title="Saludos cordiales">Best regards </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><strong>Sergio Salinas Porto</strong></font></font></span>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Subject: Re: [governance] PLEASE RESPOND - draft statement on reform of the</font></div></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><br><font size="2"></font></font></div><font face="Arial" size="2">> Thanks, Jeremy. I agree with the suggestions for modification from <br>> Souter and others and wait for the updated statement.<br>
> <br>> frt rgds<br>> <br>> --c.a.<br>> <br>> Jeremy Malcolm wrote:<br>>> On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:34:55 +0100, Bertrand de La Chapelle<br>>> <</font><a href="http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bdelachapelle@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><font face="Arial" size="2">bdelachapelle@gmail.com</font></a><font face="Arial" size="2">> wrote:<br>
>>> Hi Jeremy,<br>>>><br>>>> Just one (I hope constructive) comment on the interesting draft you<br>>>> circulated. The title currently is : "Statement on the reform of the<br>>> IGF".<br>
>>> I believe the use of the term "reform" sends a message that could be<br>>>> misinterpreted and/or exploited by
actors that strongly oppose the IGF<br>>> <br>>> Thanks for this point. The title was more of a working title for our use,<br>>> not specifically to be used when the document is submitted. Thus, the word<br>
>> "reform" is not used in the body text. Thus we can, I agree, submit it<br>>> under a more neutral title such as "Submission of the IGC in taking stock<br>>> of the Sharm el Sheikh meeting of the IGF".<br>
>> <br>>>> A few minor suggested edits (*in blue* with suppressed words in red) are<br>>>> also included in the text. They usually are pointers to coded words in<br>>> the<br>>>> UN language or the governmental discussions and it's important for you to<br>
>>> have them in mind.<br>>> <br>>> Thanks, and thanks also to those who have commented on the preamble and<br>>> paragraph 1 so far. Please, anyone, feel free to move on to paragraphs 2,
3<br>>> and following. I will compile all the suggested changes (where compatible)<br>>> in a day or two and re-circulate.<br>>> <br>> ____________________________________________________________<br>
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