[governance] Net neutrality on mobiles

Sun Aug 8 20:07:27 EDT 2010

This is a very interesting discussion thread indeed.

I am confused though about some of the examples being offered as those which
violate the NN principle.

Is http://blog.facebook.com/blog.php?post=391295167130, for example,
(available in Trinidad & Tobago, the Caribbean, and many other developing
countries) and example of a violation of NN?

I am hopeful that someone can comprehensively respond to this and clear up
some of the grey about the issue in my mind.

Thanks,

Tracy

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:

> David,
>
> The point you are missing is that when a carrier or ISP creates a non
> traffic shaped free zone for users who have exceeded download limits and
> includes, say, Google and Facebook and no other search engine or social
> networking site - meaning all other sites are subject to much lower speeds
> -
> we have created an uneven playing field where it is difficult for other new
> search engines or social networking sites to compete with the incumbents.
> To
> me this is is a serious issue for innovation, free markets, and network
> neutrality. .
>
> I don't see how this is similar to customer loyalty systems or product
> buyndling.
>
> Ian
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: David Goldstein <goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au>
> > Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, David Goldstein
> > <goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au>
> > Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 23:11:39 -0700 (PDT)
> > To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>,
> parminder
> > <parminder at itforchange.net>, <ciresearchers at vancouvercommunity.net>
> > Subject: Re: [governance] Net neutrality on mobiles
> >
> > I can only say this is a bit absurd Ian. Next you'll be going after
> airlines
> > for
> > giving their frequent flyers benefits over non-frequent flyers. Or the
> > benefits
> > Telstra gives for customers who bundle their services.
> >
> > There are many other internet issues that I see every week that are never
> > addressed in this group, and you want to focus on this trivial issue?
> >
> > Regards,
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
> > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>;
> > ciresearchers at vancouvercommunity.net
> > Sent: Sun, 8 August, 2010 1:53:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [governance] Net neutrality on mobiles
> >
> > Hi Parminder,
> >
> > Unfortunately Australia has already jumped ship on this too. It is common
> > practice for ISPs here (who have volume charging regimes) to create free
> > zones of their partner sites which do not attract volume charges and/or
> > traffic shaping when people exceed download limits. Nobody here seems to
> > want to pick this up as an issue. To me, this is a distortion of a free
> > market and an open Internet at the same time and should be attracting a
> lot
> > more attention.
> >
> > The mobile world, as you mention, brings with it other distortions and
> > potential distortions (eg built in apps and interfaces)
> >
> >
> > I agree - we should discuss.
> >
> >
> > Ian Peter
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
> >> Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, parminder <
> parminder at itforchange.net>
> >> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 08:51:02 +0530
> >> To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, <ciresearchers at vancouvercommunity.net>
> >> Subject: [governance] Net neutrality on mobiles
> >>
> >> Hi All
> >>
> >> The biggest mobile operator in India, Airtel, is providing Facebook free
> >> of data download charges in India (apparently, only for 2 months). I
> >> understand this is happening in other countries too; i read about
> >> something similar in Russia.
> >>
> >> I consider this as an outright violation of net neutrality (NN).
> >>
> >> Since there are existing codes of conduct on NN in some countries like
> >> Norway and Brazil, I will like to know from those who know and
> >> understand these country specific arrangements well if such a thing as
> >> above will be considered a NN violation under these codes.
> >>
> >> If indeed developing countries are to have any chance of being a part of
> >> shaping and governing the future of the Internet, we should start
> >> testing such cases as above with the telecom regulatory  authourities,
> >> and if needed with courts and anti-trust bodies.
> >>
> >> Parminder
> >>
> >> PS: See latest developments on NN debate in the US at
> >>
> >>
>
> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/08/google-verizon-close-to-their
> >>
> -
> >> own-net-neutrality-deal.ars
> >>
> >>
> >> It appears that there is some move to treat wireless or mobile based
> >> Internet on a different level vis a vis NN than wired Internet.
> >>
> >> As the largest market players - here, Verizon and Google - seek to
> >> arrive at a mutually convenient  arrangement, and the only other party
> >> to it is the US gov, itself representing very partisan, and largely
> >> dominant, interests, as far as the global public Internet is concerned,
> >> the real shape of global IG is quite evident. Where does the IGF, and
> >> indeed the IGC come into this may be a question that we need to ponder
> >> upon.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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