[governance] Net neutrality on mobiles

[Ian Peter]

David,

The point you are missing is that when a carrier or ISP creates a non
traffic shaped free zone for users who have exceeded download limits and
includes, say, Google and Facebook and no other search engine or social
networking site - meaning all other sites are subject to much lower speeds -
we have created an uneven playing field where it is difficult for other new
search engines or social networking sites to compete with the incumbents. To
me this is is a serious issue for innovation, free markets, and network
neutrality. .

I don't see how this is similar to customer loyalty systems or product
buyndling.

Ian


  


> From: David Goldstein <goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au>
> Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, David Goldstein
> <goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au>
> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 23:11:39 -0700 (PDT)
> To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>, parminder
> <parminder at itforchange.net>, <ciresearchers at vancouvercommunity.net>
> Subject: Re: [governance] Net neutrality on mobiles
> 
> I can only say this is a bit absurd Ian. Next you'll be going after airlines
> for 
> giving their frequent flyers benefits over non-frequent flyers. Or the
> benefits 
> Telstra gives for customers who bundle their services.
> 
> There are many other internet issues that I see every week that are never
> addressed in this group, and you want to focus on this trivial issue?
> 
> Regards,
> David
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>;
> ciresearchers at vancouvercommunity.net
> Sent: Sun, 8 August, 2010 1:53:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [governance] Net neutrality on mobiles
> 
> Hi Parminder,
> 
> Unfortunately Australia has already jumped ship on this too. It is common
> practice for ISPs here (who have volume charging regimes) to create free
> zones of their partner sites which do not attract volume charges and/or
> traffic shaping when people exceed download limits. Nobody here seems to
> want to pick this up as an issue. To me, this is a distortion of a free
> market and an open Internet at the same time and should be attracting a lot
> more attention.
> 
> The mobile world, as you mention, brings with it other distortions and
> potential distortions (eg built in apps and interfaces)
> 
> 
> I agree - we should discuss.
> 
> 
> Ian Peter
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> From: parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
>> Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
>> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 08:51:02 +0530
>> To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, <ciresearchers at vancouvercommunity.net>
>> Subject: [governance] Net neutrality on mobiles
>> 
>> Hi All
>> 
>> The biggest mobile operator in India, Airtel, is providing Facebook free
>> of data download charges in India (apparently, only for 2 months). I
>> understand this is happening in other countries too; i read about
>> something similar in Russia.
>> 
>> I consider this as an outright violation of net neutrality (NN).
>> 
>> Since there are existing codes of conduct on NN in some countries like
>> Norway and Brazil, I will like to know from those who know and
>> understand these country specific arrangements well if such a thing as
>> above will be considered a NN violation under these codes.
>> 
>> If indeed developing countries are to have any chance of being a part of
>> shaping and governing the future of the Internet, we should start
>> testing such cases as above with the telecom regulatory  authourities,
>> and if needed with courts and anti-trust bodies.
>> 
>> Parminder
>> 
>> PS: See latest developments on NN debate in the US at
>> 
>> 
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/08/google-verizon-close-to-their>>
-
>> own-net-neutrality-deal.ars
>> 
>> 
>> It appears that there is some move to treat wireless or mobile based
>> Internet on a different level vis a vis NN than wired Internet.
>> 
>> As the largest market players - here, Verizon and Google - seek to
>> arrive at a mutually convenient  arrangement, and the only other party
>> to it is the US gov, itself representing very partisan, and largely
>> dominant, interests, as far as the global public Internet is concerned,
>> the real shape of global IG is quite evident. Where does the IGF, and
>> indeed the IGC come into this may be a question that we need to ponder
>> upon.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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