[governance] Re: Net neutrality on mobiles

[David Allen]

"Absurd"? "trivial"?

That is civil discourse?  In a civil atmosphere, a post - to be taken  
seriously - rises above invective-slinging.  It posits - instead -  
evidence and logic that might lead to accepting a contrary view.

David

On Aug 8, 2010, at 2:11 AM, David Goldstein wrote:

> I can only say this is a bit absurd Ian. Next you'll be going after  
> airlines for
> giving their frequent flyers benefits over non-frequent flyers. Or  
> the benefits
> Telstra gives for customers who bundle their services.
>
> There are many other internet issues that I see every week that are  
> never
> addressed in this group, and you want to focus on this trivial issue?
>
> Regards,
> David
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>;
> ciresearchers at vancouvercommunity.net
> Sent: Sun, 8 August, 2010 1:53:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [governance] Net neutrality on mobiles
>
> Hi Parminder,
>
> Unfortunately Australia has already jumped ship on this too. It is  
> common
> practice for ISPs here (who have volume charging regimes) to create  
> free
> zones of their partner sites which do not attract volume charges and/ 
> or
> traffic shaping when people exceed download limits. Nobody here  
> seems to
> want to pick this up as an issue. To me, this is a distortion of a  
> free
> market and an open Internet at the same time and should be  
> attracting a lot
> more attention.
>
> The mobile world, as you mention, brings with it other distortions and
> potential distortions (eg built in apps and interfaces)
>
>
> I agree - we should discuss.
>
>
> Ian Peter
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
>> Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net 
>> >
>> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 08:51:02 +0530
>> To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, <ciresearchers at vancouvercommunity.net 
>> >
>> Subject: [governance] Net neutrality on mobiles
>>
>> Hi All
>>
>> The biggest mobile operator in India, Airtel, is providing Facebook  
>> free
>> of data download charges in India (apparently, only for 2 months). I
>> understand this is happening in other countries too; i read about
>> something similar in Russia.
>>
>> I consider this as an outright violation of net neutrality (NN).
>>
>> Since there are existing codes of conduct on NN in some countries  
>> like
>> Norway and Brazil, I will like to know from those who know and
>> understand these country specific arrangements well if such a thing  
>> as
>> above will be considered a NN violation under these codes.
>>
>> If indeed developing countries are to have any chance of being a  
>> part of
>> shaping and governing the future of the Internet, we should start
>> testing such cases as above with the telecom regulatory   
>> authourities,
>> and if needed with courts and anti-trust bodies.
>>
>> Parminder
>>
>> PS: See latest developments on NN debate in the US at
>>
>> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/08/google-verizon-close-to-their-
>> own-net-neutrality-deal.ars
>>
>>
>> It appears that there is some move to treat wireless or mobile based
>> Internet on a different level vis a vis NN than wired Internet.
>>
>> As the largest market players - here, Verizon and Google - seek to
>> arrive at a mutually convenient  arrangement, and the only other  
>> party
>> to it is the US gov, itself representing very partisan, and largely
>> dominant, interests, as far as the global public Internet is  
>> concerned,
>> the real shape of global IG is quite evident. Where does the IGF, and
>> indeed the IGC come into this may be a question that we need to  
>> ponder
>> upon.
>>
>>
>>
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