AW: [governance] hearing on Internet Governance arrangements

Tue May 5 00:45:39 EDT 2009

Oh grow up Francis. Just because the EU has an invitation-only event, there's no need for you to sulk. Why not contact the relevant people yourself and question them and make some suggestions.

Suggesting there are ulterior motives when you have no grounds for such except paranoia is going too far.

I'd suggest you are unaware of how the EU operates, or government for that matter. Governments regularly consult with people and invite them to discuss issues. We should be pleased the EU is being open with what they are doing.

David

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From: Dr. Francis MUGUET <muguet at mdpi.net>
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Roland Perry <roland at internetpolicyagency.com>
Cc: WSIS Civil Soc. WG on Information Networks Governance <gov at wsis-gov.org>
Sent: Tuesday, 5 May, 2009 11:37:31 AM
Subject: Re: AW: [governance] hearing on Internet Governance arrangements

Hello

In
message <49FDDECC.5060004 at mdpi.net>,
at 20:13:32 on Sun, 3 May
2009, Dr. Francis MUGUET <muguet at mdpi.net> writes 

It appears that the call for those hearings
has not been inclusive, if 
not secretive... 
EU Commission hearing on future Internet Governance arrangement  ( 06 
May 2009, Brussels, Belgium ) 

It's not a "call", the meeting is invitation only - which is not itself
sinister as the Commission clearly wants to hear from specific
organisations and people firmly established in the IG space (and
attending IGF meetings is a plausible indication of that). If that
doesn't include you, then you should examine why that might be the
case. 

This is twisted non-inclusive arrogant logic, it is not for the
uninvited to examine why they are not invited !!!
 but to the organizers and invited ones to ask questions to
themselves.... 

For example, one question is why  Louis Pouzin, one  the very few
european internet pioneer is not invited...
... but he is invited in Boston... 

I am raising the question why a few lobbyist firms are invited instead
? 

For logistical reasons participation is by
invitation only. 

My guess is they couldn't book a bigger room because there's too many
other meetings going on that day. 

You are too kind
Well, this trick is well known.... this is quite gross...    

but the call refers to the Internet
Governance Forum (IGF) ? 

The original invitation
It would be interesting if you are kind enough to post the text of this
invitation 

doesn't mention it at all. This meeting is
about IG, not the IGF - 

strange...  the agenda of the 
EU Commission hearing on future Internet Governance arrangement  (
06 May 2009, Brussels, Belgium ) 
includes the WSIS in the first place....
and the WSIS means the IGF !!!

Hearing on Internet Governance arrangements 
6 May 2009, 10:00 â€“ 17:15 
Brussels â€“ Charlemagne Building1, Room DURI 

09:30 Registration & coffee 
10:00 Introduction by the Commission 
10.30 WSIS 
11.15 Security & stability 
12.00 The role of governments 
12.45 Round up morning discussion 
13.00 Lunch  
14.15 Accountability and legitimacy 
15.00 Internationalisation of Internet Governance 
15:45 Coffee break 
16:00 Digital divide 
16.45 Round up afternoon discussion 
17:00 Concluding remarks 

*** 
Theme description 
1. WSIS: Progress since WSIS- how far are
we with the implementation of WSIS principles? What are the 
new challenges, if any, since WSIS that should be addressed? 
2. Security & stability of the Internet remains a key EU
priority. What are the main threats/chal enges? 
What should the EU be doing about them in particular with a view to
their international dimension? 
3. The role of public authorities: How should public
authorities, in particular governments, respond to their 
responsibilities in view of the importance of the Internet to our
economies and societies? What lessons, 
if any, should be learnt from the "financial crisis" (e.g. should
self-regulation for critical infrastructures 
and services be more closely monitored by governments and relevant
public authorities)? To what 
extent are private sector leadership and stronger governmental and
public policy making 
complementary and necessary components for the effective management of
the Internet? 
4. Accountability and legitimacy: To what extent are
self-regulatory governance bodies accountable to 
Internet users world-wide? What problems, if any, are posed by the fact
that many Internet users do 
not participate, even indirectly, in the governance processes? Is it
necessary to make governance 
fora more accountable to the wider international community and, if so,
how? 
5. Internationalisation of Internet Governance: Is it
desirable or necessary to ensure fair participation of 
actors in their respective roles from all geographic regions in the
future shaping of the Internet and if 
so, how? How can situations be avoided where the imposition of a
particular legal system or 
jurisdiction might disadvantage players from outside the jurisdiction
concerned? 
6. Digital divide: The future billions of users wil come
largely from developing countries. Should the 
existing Internet governance mechanisms be adapted to reflect this
evolution and, if so, how? Should 
the interests of those who donâ€™t yet have Internet access be
represented in the policy making 
processes and, if so, how? 

even if the attendees are all IGF veterans. 
but not WSIS veterans...  by the way, the list of the invited is known
to the invited ? 

The lead towards the EuroIGF. should be taken
by all open-minded 
 European stakeholders, involved in the IGF process, 
whether in person, or remotely. 

Anyone could start a "EuroIGF", there are <geo-region>IGF's
springing up all over the place. All that happened was that Catherine
Trautmann won the "first come first served" race for the name.
Is it like a domain name ? !!! 

But
then
nothing much happened (as I have explained before). 

There are two ways of looking at an IGF in Europe :

1) An IG Forum of the EU, with its own organization, mandate distinct
from the IGF,
possibly set up by an act of the EU parliament or the EU commission

2) A subset of the UN IGF whose members are stakeholders from Europe
( not only the EU,  but Europe as defined by the Council of Europe ) 

I would suggest the first one to be called the EuroIGF,
and the second one the IGF-Europe, they are distinct and complementary,
and the EuroIGF could fit into the IGF-Europe.

It is possible that the EuroIGF might have a more stronger, effective
mandate that the IGF.  This could be quite promising....
However, the way the EuroIGF is brought to birth raises eyesbrows

as Meryem observed 
Business (and when I say business, I really mean the business
sector)
as usual on other issues. IG seems to be seen as a consumer issue only. 
and as Jean Louis  recently posted :
 EU Commissioner Viviane Reding has
already worked out the Meeting (draft) Report and proposes it for
possible minor amendments and endorsement (see below) by the "invited
partipants".

The EuroIGF process is not starting well, to say the
least...

Civil Society should start to promote ASAP an open, transparent
multistakeholder
 IGF-Europe, with all stakeholders, EU or non-EU,  to counterbalance
the lobbies that seem to have taken control  of the EuroIGF process

Best

Francis 

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