AW: [governance] hearing on Internet Governance arrangements

Mon May 4 21:37:31 EDT 2009

Hello
> In message <49FDDECC.5060004 at mdpi.net>, at 20:13:32 on Sun, 3 May
> 2009, Dr. Francis MUGUET <muguet at mdpi.net> writes
>
>> It appears that the call for those hearings has not been inclusive, if
>> not secretive...
>> EU Commission hearing on future Internet Governance arrangement  ( 06
>> May 2009, Brussels, Belgium )
>
> It's not a "call", the meeting is invitation only - which is not
> itself sinister as the Commission clearly wants to hear from specific
> organisations and people firmly established in the IG space (and
> attending IGF meetings is a plausible indication of that). If that
> doesn't include you, then you should examine why that might be the case.
This is twisted non-inclusive arrogant logic, it is not for the
uninvited to examine why they are not invited !!!
 but to the organizers and invited ones to ask questions to themselves....

For example, one question is why  Louis Pouzin, one  the very few
european internet pioneer is not invited...
... but he is invited in Boston...

I am raising the question why a few lobbyist firms are invited instead ?
>
>> For logistical reasons participation is by invitation only.
>
> My guess is they couldn't book a bigger room because there's too many
> other meetings going on that day.
You are too kind
Well, this trick is well known.... this is quite gross...   
>
>
>> but the call refers to the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) ?
>
> The original invitation
It would be interesting if you are kind enough to post the text of this
invitation
> doesn't mention it at all. This meeting is about IG, not the IGF -

strange...  the agenda of the
EU Commission hearing on future Internet Governance arrangement
<http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/internet_gov/index_en.htm>
( 06 May 2009, Brussels, Belgium )
includes the WSIS in the first place....
and the WSIS means the IGF !!!

*Hearing on Internet Governance arrangements *
6 May 2009, 10:00 â€“ 17:15
Brussels â€“ Charlemagne Building1, Room DURI

/09:30 Registration & coffee /
10:00 Introduction by the Commission
10.30 WSIS
11.15 Security & stability
12.00 The role of governments
12.45 Round up morning discussion
/13.00 Lunch /
14.15 Accountability and legitimacy
15.00 Internationalisation of Internet Governance
/15:45 Coffee break /
16:00 Digital divide
16.45 Round up afternoon discussion
17:00 Concluding remarks

***
*Theme description *
1. *WSIS*: Progress since WSIS- how far are we with the implementation
of WSIS principles? What are the
new challenges, if any, since WSIS that should be addressed?
2. *Security & stability* of the Internet remains a key EU priority.
What are the main threats/chal enges?
What should the EU be doing about them in particular with a view to
their international dimension?
3. *The role of public authorities*: How should public authorities, in
particular governments, respond to their
responsibilities in view of the importance of the Internet to our
economies and societies? What lessons,
if any, should be learnt from the "financial crisis" (e.g. should
self-regulation for critical infrastructures
and services be more closely monitored by governments and relevant
public authorities)? To what
extent are private sector leadership and stronger governmental and
public policy making
complementary and necessary components for the effective management of
the Internet?
4. *Accountability and legitimacy*: To what extent are self-regulatory
governance bodies accountable to
Internet users world-wide? What problems, if any, are posed by the fact
that many Internet users do
not participate, even indirectly, in the governance processes? Is it
necessary to make governance
fora more accountable to the wider international community and, if so, how?
5. *Internationalisation of Internet Governance: *Is it desirable or
necessary to ensure fair participation of
actors in their respective roles from all geographic regions in the
future shaping of the Internet and if
so, how? How can situations be avoided where the imposition of a
particular legal system or
jurisdiction might disadvantage players from outside the jurisdiction
concerned?
6. *Digital divide*: The future billions of users wil come largely from
developing countries. Should the
existing Internet governance mechanisms be adapted to reflect this
evolution and, if so, how? Should
the interests of those who donâ€™t yet have Internet access be
represented in the policy making
processes and, if so, how?

> even if the attendees are all IGF veterans. 
but not WSIS veterans...  by the way, the list of the invited is known
to the invited ?

>> The lead towards the EuroIGF. should be taken by all open-minded
>>  European stakeholders, involved in the IGF process,
>> whether in person, or remotely.
>
> Anyone could start a "EuroIGF", there are <geo-region>IGF's springing
> up all over the place. All that happened was that Catherine Trautmann
> won the "first come first served" race for the name.
Is it like a domain name ? !!!
> But then nothing much happened (as I have explained before).
There are two ways of looking at an IGF in Europe :

1) An IG Forum of the EU, with its own organization, mandate distinct
from the IGF,
possibly set up by an act of the EU parliament or the EU commission

2) A subset of the UN IGF whose members are stakeholders from Europe
( not only the EU,  but Europe as defined by the Council of Europe )

I would suggest the first one to be called the EuroIGF,
and the second one the IGF-Europe, they are distinct and complementary,
and the EuroIGF could fit into the IGF-Europe.

It is possible that the EuroIGF might have a more stronger, effective
mandate that the IGF.  This could be quite promising....
However, the way the EuroIGF is brought to birth raises eyesbrows

as Meryem observed
/Business (and when I say business, I really mean the business sector)
as usual on other issues. IG seems to be seen as a consumer issue only. /
and as Jean Louis  recently posted :
 /EU Commissioner Viviane Reding has already worked out the Meeting
(draft) Report and proposes it for possible minor amendments and
endorsement (see below) by the "invited partipants".
/
//The EuroIGF process is not starting well, to say the least...

Civil Society should start to promote ASAP an open, transparent
multistakeholder
 IGF-Europe, with all stakeholders, EU or non-EU,  to counterbalance
the lobbies that seem to have taken control  of the EuroIGF process

Best

Francis
/
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