[governance] Re: Formal warning to Joe Baptista re personal insults and abusive language

[Joe Baptista]

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:

>  Dear Joe,
>
> Following from the private email sent to you earlier today by Ginger Paque
> as regards your postings on the list, I am now following up with a formal
> warning . If you continue to post items including personal insults and
> abusive language., you will be suspended from the list.
>

I understand. censor away :)


>
>
> Most people would believe that your threat to “apply the boot” to a list
> member would fall into this category. This came after our warning for using
> phrases such as “I’ll kick your ass” and describing a list members behaviour
> as libellous and slanderous.
>

It is. But has nothing to do with this list - it is her conduct on another
list. And it may very well be criminal. Remember ICANN is a United States
Government contractor.

As for kicking her ass. I did not say that or at least misspoke. I am
engineering a situation that will kick ICANNs ass.

I assure you sir I would only kick Avris ass if she begged me too. If of
course Avri enjoys the more eclectic forms of S&M.


> This followed a number of complaints from list members.
>

I'm sure you've been swamped. Please keep a copy of all email archived. I
would like a copy of the complaints and reserve all rights in this.

>
>
> There will be no more warnings – as you say, arguing with you is pointless
> and I urge other list members to not respond to these sorts of postings.
>

exactly.


>
>
> I want to make entirely clear that this is not about opinions you might
> have or want to express. It’s about the use of personal insults and abusive
> language.
>
> The relevant section of the charter is below.
>
> Ian Peter and Ginger Paque, Co-coordinators.
>
>
> Some of the specific guidelines that will be enforced include those
> relating to:
> *No personal insults
> *No spam
>

Good rules. I agree to abide by them and thanks for pointing them out.


>
>
> Failure to abide by netiquette guidelines may result in suspension or
> removal from the IGC list according to the following process:
>

netiquette is not law.

>
> The coordinators will first warn a subscriber privately of the problem
>

i prefer public. If you should have future complaints I believe they should
be public. I find this back door approach of yours repulsive to sensibility
and common sense. If your going to point out an error do it in public for
me. Consider that a standing order.


> If the problem persists the coordinators will notify the subscriber
> publicly on the list of impending suspension from the list. Suspension will
> include only posting rights.
> If the problem persists the subscriber's posting rights will be suspended
> for one (1) month.
>

OK - a one month vacation - excellent - so I get another warning before
execution. Am I correct in my interpretation?


>
> Once the subscriber's posting rights are restored, any further problem will
> result in another public warning.
>

good I like the due process.


>
> If the problem continues to persist after suspension and a second public
> warning, the coordinators will be permitted to either suspend the posting
> rights for three (3) months or to remove the subscriber from the list.
>

well let's see how long it takes me to get to three months :) or banned for
life.  it's a bit like a game. And where is all the democracy in this?

You know why I ask. I want to appeal your decision and I want the two of you
on the phone as I dictate my appeal. How do we do this.

I'm into accountability. And I'm worried this decision of yours may be
tainted.

Thats what happened to us at the GA. A U.S. Government contractor hijacked a
process and ended up embarrassed they were caught out. An ICANN employee
tried to get myself the GA monitor and another monitor - Debbie and Hugh to
get ride of a member on a vexatious complaint. When Debbie could not get the
member removed on the complaint she went renegade and kicked the member off
- with Avri's help - and I made public the complaint - which shocked
everyone. Then Avri censored me from the list. Without due process agreed to
between the montors and the chair.

Are you getting the picture here big guy.

I don't intend to sue you - but I do consider those complaint to be possibly
relevant.

Avri - 24 hours to get me on the GA list.

cheers
joe baptista



>
>
> On 31/07/09 10:18 AM, "Joe Baptista" <baptista at publicroot.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> No - the best way to deal with is to behave as a child. Avri has already
> gotten plenty of grown up behavior and has been non responsive - now the
> time is coming to apply the boot.
>
> cheers
> joe baptista
>
> p.s. arguing with me is pointless.
>
>
>
>


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