<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Ian Peter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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Following from the private email sent to you earlier today by Ginger Paque as regards your postings on the list, I am now following up with a formal warning . If you continue to post items including personal insults and abusive language., you will be suspended from the list. </span></font></font></div>
</blockquote><div><br>I understand. censor away :)<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><font size="4"><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><br>
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Most people would believe that your threat to “apply the boot” to a list member would fall into this category. This came after our warning for using phrases such as “I’ll kick your ass” and describing a list members behaviour as libellous and slanderous. </span></font></font></div>
</blockquote><div><br>It is. But has nothing to do with this list - it is her conduct on another list. And it may very well be criminal. Remember ICANN is a United States Government contractor.<br><br>As for kicking her ass. I did not say that or at least misspoke. I am engineering a situation that will kick ICANNs ass.<br>
<br>I assure you sir I would only kick Avris ass if she begged me too. If of course Avri enjoys the more eclectic forms of S&M.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><font size="4"><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">This followed a number of complaints from list members.</span></font></font></div></blockquote><div><br>I'm sure you've been swamped. Please keep a copy of all email archived. I would like a copy of the complaints and reserve all rights in this. <br>
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There will be no more warnings – as you say, arguing with you is pointless and I urge other list members to not respond to these sorts of postings. </span></font></font></div></blockquote><div><br>exactly.<br> <br></div>
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I want to make entirely clear that this is not about opinions you might have or want to express. It’s about the use of personal insults and abusive language. <br>
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The relevant section of the charter is below. <br>
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Ian Peter and Ginger Paque, Co-coordinators.<br>
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Some of the specific guidelines that will be enforced include those relating to:<br>
*No personal insults<br>
*No spam</font></span></font></div></blockquote><div><br>Good rules. I agree to abide by them and thanks for pointing them out.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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Failure to abide by netiquette guidelines may result in suspension or removal from the IGC list according to the following process:</font></span></font></div></blockquote><div><br>netiquette is not law. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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The coordinators will first warn a subscriber privately of the problem</font></span></font></div></blockquote><div><br>i prefer public. If you should have future complaints I believe they should be public. I find this back door approach of yours repulsive to sensibility and common sense. If your going to point out an error do it in public for me. Consider that a standing order.<br>
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If the problem persists the coordinators will notify the subscriber publicly on the list of impending suspension from the list. Suspension will include only posting rights.<br>
If the problem persists the subscriber's posting rights will be suspended for one (1) month.</font></span></font></div></blockquote><div><br>OK - a one month vacation - excellent - so I get another warning before execution. Am I correct in my interpretation?<br>
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Once the subscriber's posting rights are restored, any further problem will result in another public warning.</font></span></font></div></blockquote><div><br>good I like the due process.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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If the problem continues to persist after suspension and a second public warning, the coordinators will be permitted to either suspend the posting rights for three (3) months or to remove the subscriber from the list.</font></span></font></div>
</blockquote><div><br>well let's see how long it takes me to get to three months :) or banned for life. it's a bit like a game. And where is all the democracy in this?<br><br>You know why I ask. I want to appeal your decision and I want the two of you on the phone as I dictate my appeal. How do we do this.<br>
<br>I'm into accountability. And I'm worried this decision of yours may be tainted.<br><br>Thats what happened to us at the GA. A U.S. Government contractor hijacked a process and ended up embarrassed they were caught out. An ICANN employee tried to get myself the GA monitor and another monitor - Debbie and Hugh to get ride of a member on a vexatious complaint. When Debbie could not get the member removed on the complaint she went renegade and kicked the member off - with Avri's help - and I made public the complaint - which shocked everyone. Then Avri censored me from the list. Without due process agreed to between the montors and the chair.<br>
<br>Are you getting the picture here big guy.<br><br>I don't intend to sue you - but I do consider those complaint to be possibly relevant.<br><br>Avri - 24 hours to get me on the GA list.<br><br>cheers<br>joe baptista<br>
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On 31/07/09 10:18 AM, "Joe Baptista" <<a href="mailto:baptista@publicroot.org" target="_blank">baptista@publicroot.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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No - the best way to deal with is to behave as a child. Avri has already gotten plenty of grown up behavior and has been non responsive - now the time is coming to apply the boot.<br>
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cheers<br>
joe baptista<br>
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p.s. arguing with me is pointless.<br>
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