OFFLIST:Re: [governance] Is ICANN listening?

Thu Jul 30 20:54:06 EDT 2009

Kindly provide the warnings on list please.

I see nothings wrong with my email and would ask your kindness and
assistance in what specifically you find offensive in the message.

The message is friendly - I even call her baby. It's all sugar and space as
far as I can see.

Avri has to answer for her errors. And I have every reasons to be angry to
what amounts to another ICANN scam - my censorship. However I'm being kind
with the usual kiss ass attitude that passes for civil behavior here.

And frankly - forgive the rudeness but I don't give a fuck if you ban me
from this list. If I have something to say there are people who will
communicate it on my behalf.

Censor away baby ... show the world your stuff :) Inclusive - NOT!

cheers
joe baptista

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Dear Joe Baptista,
>
> Following the charter of the Internet Governance Caucus, (see
> http://www.igcaucus.org/charter) and acting as co-coordinators of the IGC,
> we hereby formally warn you that you are in breach of the charter with the
> posting of the below email, which, combined with your previous posting on
> the same thread, we perceive to be an attack on a member of the IGC as the
> point is addressed in an aggressive and provocative manner, it is an issue
> with clear personal overtones, and is an issue that is not appropriately
> addressed on the IGC list, as it deals with the internal functions of
> another body.
>
> I have copied a section of the charter immediately below for your
> reference. This decision was made by IGC coordinators Ian Peter and Ginger
> Paque, and has the support of formal complaints from the IGC membership.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ginger Paque and Ian Peter
> Co-coordinators, Internet Governance Caucus
>
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> Joe Baptista wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Once you get into legal threats, I am forced into silence.
>
>
> I'm not threatening you - I'm spelling out the facts. Before I would even
> consider court I'll kick your ass in the best court of all time. That of
> public opinion baby.
>
> Now I am being censored and thats not nice. Reinstate me. Thats an order
> baby. I was kicked off the list for exposing a bit of ICANN fraud between
> the former monitor and icann staff. Fine - big deal - I got an unauthorized
> vacation and you participated in an immoral act against me which very well
> was libelous and slanderous. That was you call honey. Not mine :)
>
> cheers
> joe baptista
>
>
>>
>>
>> a.
>>
>> On 30 Jul 2009, at 15:45, Joe Baptista wrote:
>>
>>  I completely agree with Eric. And not only are you in the wrong Avri but
>>> liable for it on behalf of the GNSO and ICANN. I'm going to start pressing
>>> that button soon dear. And there will be no return once that happens. I've
>>> made ICANN squeal on more then one occassions - must we add another dear?
>>>
>>> cheers
>>> joe baptista
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Lucy Lynch <llynch at civil-tongue.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Eric Dierker wrote:
>>>
>>> Well that is very nice Avri.  And I agree with much of what you say.
>>>  However their are two people who were regular contributors
>>> suspended/censored from the list.  There are no recognized monitors and the
>>> majordomo is hidden. That is all on you. YOU censored them. but with nothing
>>> open and transparent.  So your talk is not consistent with your actions as
>>> is the case generally with the GNSO. Your governmental process is backroom
>>> and by fiat.   So you really do epitomize ICANNs lack of accountability and
>>> ability to do and say opposite things.
>>>
>>> Using full headers reveals:
>>>
>>> List-Id: <governance.lists.cpsr.org>
>>> List-Archive: <http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/arc/governance>
>>> List-Help: <mailto:sympa at lists.cpsr.org?subject=help>
>>> List-Owner: <mailto:governance-request at lists.cpsr.org>
>>> List-Post: <mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org>
>>> List-Subscribe: <mailto:sympa at lists.cpsr.org
>>> ?subject=subscribe%20governance>
>>> List-Unsubscribe:
>>> <mailto:sympa at lists.cpsr.org?subject=unsubscribe%20governance>
>>>
>>> so, not a majordomo list - different commands will be needed
>>>
>>> sorry for interrupting with technical info...
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 7/29/09, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [governance] Is ICANN listening?
>>> To: "Governance List" <governance at lists.cpsr.org>
>>> Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 10:44 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29 Jul 2009, at 03:35, cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>>
>>> it is not up to the participants in the GA to keep it running it is up to
>>> you.
>>>
>>> I take that as the responsibility to make sure the list stays up and
>>> remains orderly, for some definition of orderly.
>>> Additionally I take it as my responsibility to read that list on a
>>> regular basis.
>>>
>>> The list is up, it functions, it is moderately orderly and I read it
>>> regularly.
>>>
>>>
>>> I do not think that responsibility extends to trying to make that list
>>> anything more then a list where people who subscribe and wish to comment on
>>> ICANN related issues can do so in peace. In fact, without a decision of the
>>> GNSO Council approved by the ICANN Board, I would see trying to change the
>>> list as out of scope for me.  That is, I do not see my responsibility as
>>> being one of trying to make the GA list re-evolve into anything resembling
>>> what the GA was meant to be before it was decimated in the transition from
>>> DNSO to GNSO without a proper policy process - too many people in ICANN
>>> already usurp the right to make policy without proper process, and I am not
>>> about to become one of them  If the list wants to be more then a list or
>>> wants to spin off real organizations then it is the responsibility of those
>>> on that list to do so, and I would not hinder that effort.
>>>
>>> In a few months I will no longer be a member of the GNSO Council (I can
>>> hear some people already rejoicing in the background!).  At that point I
>>> will remain a member of the GA list, and at that point, if I want that list
>>> to be something more then a basket for complaints then it will be become my
>>> responsibility as a member of the list to try and do something.  Until then,
>>> I am just one of the caretakers of the GA list who keep it running and
>>> nothing more.
>>>
>>> a.
>>>
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>>
>>
>
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