Kindly provide the warnings on list please.<br><br>I see nothings wrong with my email and would ask your kindness and assistance in what specifically you find offensive in the message.<br><br>The message is friendly - I even call her baby. It's all sugar and space as far as I can see.<br>
<br>Avri has to answer for her errors. And I have every reasons to be angry to what amounts to another ICANN scam - my censorship. However I'm being kind with the usual kiss ass attitude that passes for civil behavior here.<br>
<br>And frankly - forgive the rudeness but I don't give a fuck if you ban me from this list. If I have something to say there are people who will communicate it on my behalf.<br><br>Censor away baby ... show the world your stuff :) Inclusive - NOT!<br>
<br>cheers<br>joe baptista<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Ginger Paque <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gpaque@gmail.com">gpaque@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<font face="Arial">Dear Joe Baptista,<br>
<br>
Following the charter of the Internet Governance Caucus, (see
<a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/charter" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/charter</a>) and acting as co-coordinators of the
IGC, we hereby formally warn you that you are in breach of the charter
with the posting of the below email, which, combined with your previous
posting on the same thread, we perceive to be an attack on a member of
the IGC as the point is addressed in an aggressive and provocative
manner, it is an issue with clear personal overtones, and is an issue
that is not appropriately addressed on the IGC list, as it deals with
the internal functions of another body.<br>
<br>
I have copied a section of the charter immediately below for your
reference. This decision was made by IGC coordinators Ian Peter and
Ginger Paque, and has the support of formal complaints from the IGC
membership.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<br>
Ginger Paque and Ian Peter<br>
Co-coordinators, Internet Governance Caucus<br>
<br>
</font>Mailing lists will be run according to netiquette guidelines.
One
guideline reference for IGC netiquette is RFC1855. One useful guideline
for all list participants is:<br>
Be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you receive. You
should not send heated message("flames") even if you are provoked. On
the other hand, you shouldn't be surprised if you get flamed and it's
prudent not to respond to flames..
<p>Some of the specific guidelines that will be enforced include those
relating to:<br>
*No personal insults<br>
*No spam</p>
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If the problem persists the subscriber's posting rights will be
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If the problem continues to persist after suspension and a second
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<br>
<br>
Joe Baptista wrote:
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Avri Doria
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi,<br>
<br>
Once you get into legal threats, I am forced into silence.</blockquote>
<div><br>
I'm not threatening you - I'm spelling out the facts. Before I would
even consider court I'll kick your ass in the best court of all time.
That of public opinion baby.<br>
<br>
Now I am being censored and thats not nice. Reinstate me. Thats an
order baby. I was kicked off the list for exposing a bit of ICANN fraud
between the former monitor and icann staff. Fine - big deal - I got an
unauthorized vacation and you participated in an immoral act against me
which very well was libelous and slanderous. That was you call honey.
Not mine :)<br>
<br>
cheers<br>
joe baptista<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
a.</font>
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On 30 Jul 2009, at 15:45, Joe Baptista wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I completely agree with Eric. And not only are you in the wrong Avri
but liable for it on behalf of the GNSO and ICANN. I'm going to start
pressing that button soon dear. And there will be no return once that
happens. I've made ICANN squeal on more then one occassions - must we
add another dear?<br>
<br>
cheers<br>
joe baptista<br>
<br>
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Lucy Lynch <llynch@civil-<a href="http://tongue.net" target="_blank">tongue.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009, Eric Dierker wrote:<br>
<br>
Well that is very nice Avri. And I agree with much of what you say.
However their are two people who were regular contributors
suspended/censored from the list. There are no recognized monitors and
the majordomo is hidden. That is all on you. YOU censored them. but
with nothing open and transparent. So your talk is not consistent with
your actions as is the case generally with the GNSO. Your governmental
process is backroom and by fiat. So you really do epitomize ICANNs
lack of accountability and ability to do and say opposite things.<br>
<br>
Using full headers reveals:<br>
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so, not a majordomo list - different commands will be needed<br>
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sorry for interrupting with technical info...<br>
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--- On Wed, 7/29/09, Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
From: Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [governance] Is ICANN listening?<br>
To: "Governance List" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>><br>
Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 10:44 AM<br>
<br>
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<br>
On 29 Jul 2009, at 03:35, <a href="mailto:cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net</a>
wrote:<br>
<br>
it is not up to the participants in the GA to keep it running it is up
to you.<br>
<br>
I take that as the responsibility to make sure the list stays up and
remains orderly, for some definition of orderly.<br>
Additionally I take it as my responsibility to read that list on a
regular basis.<br>
<br>
The list is up, it functions, it is moderately orderly and I read it
regularly.<br>
<br>
<br>
I do not think that responsibility extends to trying to make that list
anything more then a list where people who subscribe and wish to
comment on ICANN related issues can do so in peace. In fact, without a
decision of the GNSO Council approved by the ICANN Board, I would see
trying to change the list as out of scope for me. That is, I do not
see my responsibility as being one of trying to make the GA list
re-evolve into anything resembling what the GA was meant to be before
it was decimated in the transition from DNSO to GNSO without a proper
policy process - too many people in ICANN already usurp the right to
make policy without proper process, and I am not about to become one of
them If the list wants to be more then a list or wants to spin off
real organizations then it is the responsibility of those on that list
to do so, and I would not hinder that effort.<br>
<br>
In a few months I will no longer be a member of the GNSO Council (I can
hear some people already rejoicing in the background!). At that point
I will remain a member of the GA list, and at that point, if I want
that list to be something more then a basket for complaints then it
will be become my responsibility as a member of the list to try and do
something. Until then, I am just one of the caretakers of the GA list
who keep it running and nothing more.<br>
<br>
a.<br>
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