[governance] Is ICANN listening?
Joe Baptista
baptista at publicroot.org
Tue Jul 28 21:58:01 EDT 2009
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 9:35 PM, <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Avri,
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> (sorry for delay in response to your very appropriate question - Off
> picking Blackberries, trying not to catch fish, Hiking, swimming and
> engaging in general all around conservation efforts within our riparian
> habitats)
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ah so a river. your vocabulary is a bit eclectic in your riparian pursuits.
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> The By-Laws are really very loose when it comes to the GA. The transfer
> from Dnso to Gnso or whatever left it in the lurch. But one thing is clear
> -- it is not up to the participants in the GA to keep it running it is up to
> you.
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Exactly. Which brings us to another point. When am I being reinstated on the
GA. Do I have to press a button and make ICANN jump?
cheers
joe baptista
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> Off your site;
> *Under the New ICANN Bylaws:*
> <http://www.icann.org/general/archive-bylaws/bylaws-15dec02.htm>
> <http://www.icann.org/general/archive-bylaws/bylaws-15dec02.htm>
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> 9. Upon the adoption of this Transition Article, and until further action
> by the ICANN Board, the GNSO Council shall assume responsibility for the
> DNSO General Assembly e-mail announcement and discussion lists.
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> The GA mailing list will remain open and the voluntary monitors are:
> Thomas Roessler
> Alexander Svensson
> Ross Rader
> Abel Wisman
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> - More explicit rules of order defined in <http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2000.GA-ga-rules.html>
> <http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2000.GA-ga-rules.html>
> - More about GA list monitoring in <http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/GA.list-monitoring.html>
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> Avri and all,
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> True enough that the NCUC is nothing at all like the GA. As to
> whether that is a "Good" thing of not of course is a matter of
> opinion. The miss characterization of the GA as a "Snake pit"
> is hardly honest. Yes, it has at times been contentious, but where
> there are issues that lend themselves to very starkly divided opinions,
> often are and should be contentious.
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> In any event, the GA at one time had over 900 participants. Due
> to many factors, over a few years that number has dwindled to
> what I understand is around 200 or so. Many have contended that
> such a reverse in interest was largely due to a lack of ICON staff
> and Board members participation in a open an transparent manner,
> AND due to a lack of some being more interested is trying to
> enforce on others how to express themselves, ergo lacking free
> speech acumen and consideration accordingly.
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> So Miltons assertions and Erics remarks in respect to same, are
> entirely accurate. BTW Avri, Eric, Danny, and myself have many
> times pointed out directly to you and most of the GNSO council
> members exactly which bylaw has been continually violated. In
> any event, you are perfectly able to look that fact and the bylaws
> up for yourself I would hope.
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> Avri Doria wrote:
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> > On 23 Jul 2009, at 21:33, Eric Dierker wrote:
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> > > The constant monitoring, failure to provide for and downright abuse
> > > of participants in the General Assembly of the GNSO in contradiction
> > > of their own by-laws is proof of Milton's assertions.
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> > which bylaw are you referring to?
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> > at one point i was very interested in seeing the GA list given more of
> > a focus, but the support from the list was never there - it continued
> > to act like a snake pit. and it never got itself to the point where it
> > could get to a coherent consensus like the IGC can - even though they
> > are both civil society efforts open to everyone.
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> > further, to compare the NCUC and it efforts to those of the GA List is
> > very insulting to NCUC - they are nothing alike.
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> > a.
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