[governance] Question 6: Comments on Siva's proposed paras

[Sivasubramanian Muthusamy]

Hello Michael Gurstein

A quick reply and a little more later.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Michael Gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>wrote:

>  Hi,
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Sivasubramanian Muthusamy [mailto:isolatedn at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 12, 2009 6:18 PM
> *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; Michael Gurstein
> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Question 6: Comments on Siva's proposed paras
>
> Hello Michael Gurstein,
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Michael Gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> "The Internet Governance Caucus calls upon the IGF Secretariat to fund the
>> IGF programs and participation substantially and significantly to further
>> enhance the quality of programs with greater diversity of participation"
>> sounds better?
>>
>>  YES...
>
> Thanks.

>
>>
>> There are two aspects to be considered in this regard: a) The absence or
>> non-participation of some of the world's most renowned Civil Society
>> opinion
>> leaders is noticeable; Business Leaders who are otherwise committed to
>> social and other governance issues off IGF are not seen at the IGF;
>> Governments are not represented on a level high enough
>>
>> HMMM. WHO/WHAT EXACTLY IS MEANT BY "RENOWNED CIVIL SOCIETY OPINION
>> LEADERS"
>> (IN SOME CIRCLES THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO AND PROBABLY MORE INTERNAL
>> CONTRADITIONS IN THAT SIMPLE STATEMENT AND CERTAINLY NEITHER WE NOR THE
>> SECRETARIAT SHOULD BE EXPECTED TO IDENTIFY WHO THESE "RENOWNED" FOLKS
>> MIGHT
>> BE.
>>
>> AS WELL, ARE WE LOOKING FOR CIVIL SOCIETY "LEADERS" OR FOLKS FROM CIVIL
>> SOCIETY ORGANIZATIONS IN LEADERSHIP POSITIONS, OR ARE WE LOOKING FOR CIVIL
>> SOCIETY SPOKESPEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND IG ISSUES, OR ARE WE LOOKING FOR
>> LEADERS
>> OF RESPONSIBLE REPRESENTATIVE CS ORGANIZATIONS WHO HAVE A
>> POSITION//OPINION/KNOWLEDGE ON IG ISSUES (EACH OF THESE CATEGORIES IS
>> PROBABLY DISCREET AND COULD BE INCLUDED AMBIGUOUSLY UNDER YOUR STATEMENT.
>>
>> IF BIZ LEADERS THINK IT IS OF SUFFICIENT IMPORTANCE THEY'LL LIKELY COME,
>> IF
>> NOT, NOT AND NOT MUCH WE OR THE SECRETARIAT CAN DO ABOUT THAT AND
>> SIMILARLY
>> WITH GOVERNMENTS.
>>
>> I THINK THIS PARA SHOULD BE DROPPED...
>
>
> I am sorry, I don't agree with your negative interpretation of such a
> positive suggestion. Are we to assert that the present participants
> constitute a complete, representative, and ultimate group ?
>
> NO, BUT I'M HAVING TROUBLE SEEING WHAT NAOMI KLEIN OR VENDANA SHIVA WOULD
> HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE EITHER...
>
> I will have to browse a little to learn about Naomi Klein; Vendana Shiva is
an Indian name that sounds familiar, but I wasn't thinking of these names,
nor was my point intended to bring in anyone whom I know or associated
with.  Looks like you are reading between the lines of what I write.

>
> HAVING THE HEAD OF SEWA OR K-NET WOULD SEEM TO ME TO BE RATHER MORE USEFUL,
> "RENOWNED" OR NOT, AS THEY AT LEAST COULD TALK WITH SOME DIRECT KNOWLEDGE
> ABOUT HOW IG ISSUES IMPACT THEM AND THE KINDS OF THINGS THEY ARE TRYING TO
> DO ON THE GROUND.
>
> Again an Indian reference - you have used the word "Sewa" in your comment.
Perhaps you are reading me as someone pushing the Indian point of view? I am
not. I am born in India, a participant from India, I have faith in and
respect for my country but I believe that in an International context I am
at least a little wider than a national.  I have been inspired by teachers
who taught me in my school days that "patriotism is a prejudice" which is
profound thinking which in depths implies that one must be beyond being
patriotic and be rather global.

(Will come back this point and write more in response to what you have
written a little later)

Thank you.
Sivasubramanian Muthusamy.



>
> MBG
>
>
> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
>
>
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