Hello Michael Gurstein<br><br>A quick reply and a little more later.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Michael Gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><span><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Hi,</font></span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left" lang="en-us"><font size="2" face="Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> Sivasubramanian
Muthusamy [mailto:<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com" target="_blank">isolatedn@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 12, 2009
6:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; Michael
Gurstein<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] Question 6: Comments on Siva's
proposed paras<br><br></font></div>Hello Michael Gurstein,<br><br>
</div><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Michael Gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote"><div class="im"><br><br><br>"The Internet Governance Caucus calls upon the
IGF Secretariat to fund the IGF programs and participation substantially and
significantly to further enhance the quality of programs with greater
diversity of participation" sounds better? <br><br></div><span><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"> YES... </font></span></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div>Thanks. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote"><br><br>There are two aspects to be considered in this
regard: a) The absence or<br>non-participation of some of the world's most
renowned Civil Society opinion<br>leaders is noticeable; Business Leaders
who are otherwise committed to<br>social and other governance issues off IGF
are not seen at the IGF;<br>Governments are not represented on a level high
enough<br><br>HMMM. WHO/WHAT EXACTLY IS MEANT BY "RENOWNED CIVIL SOCIETY
OPINION LEADERS"<br>(IN SOME CIRCLES THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO AND PROBABLY
MORE INTERNAL<br>CONTRADITIONS IN THAT SIMPLE STATEMENT AND CERTAINLY
NEITHER WE NOR THE<br>SECRETARIAT SHOULD BE EXPECTED TO IDENTIFY WHO THESE
"RENOWNED" FOLKS MIGHT<br>BE.<br><br>AS WELL, ARE WE LOOKING FOR CIVIL
SOCIETY "LEADERS" OR FOLKS FROM CIVIL<br>SOCIETY ORGANIZATIONS IN LEADERSHIP
POSITIONS, OR ARE WE LOOKING FOR CIVIL<br>SOCIETY SPOKESPEOPLE WHO
UNDERSTAND IG ISSUES, OR ARE WE LOOKING FOR LEADERS<br>OF RESPONSIBLE
REPRESENTATIVE CS ORGANIZATIONS WHO HAVE A<br>POSITION//OPINION/KNOWLEDGE ON
IG ISSUES (EACH OF THESE CATEGORIES IS<br>PROBABLY DISCREET AND COULD BE
INCLUDED AMBIGUOUSLY UNDER YOUR STATEMENT.<br><br>IF BIZ LEADERS THINK IT IS
OF SUFFICIENT IMPORTANCE THEY'LL LIKELY COME, IF<br>NOT, NOT AND NOT MUCH WE
OR THE SECRETARIAT CAN DO ABOUT THAT AND SIMILARLY<br>WITH
GOVERNMENTS.<br><br>I THINK THIS PARA SHOULD BE DROPPED...</blockquote>
<div><br>I am sorry, I don't agree with your negative interpretation of such a
positive suggestion. Are we to assert that the present participants constitute
a complete, representative, and ultimate group ? <span><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"> </font></span></div>
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</div><div><span><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial">NO,
BUT I'M HAVING TROUBLE SEEING WHAT NAOMI KLEIN OR VENDANA SHIVA WOULD HAVE TO
CONTRIBUTE EITHER...</font></span></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div>I will have to browse a little to learn about Naomi Klein; Vendana Shiva is an Indian name that sounds familiar, but I wasn't thinking of these names, nor was my point intended to bring in anyone whom I know or associated with. Looks like you are reading between the lines of what I write. <br>
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<div><span><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial">HAVING THE HEAD OF SEWA OR K-NET WOULD SEEM TO ME TO BE RATHER MORE
USEFUL, "RENOWNED" OR NOT, AS THEY AT LEAST COULD TALK WITH SOME DIRECT
KNOWLEDGE ABOUT HOW IG ISSUES IMPACT THEM AND THE KINDS OF THINGS THEY ARE
TRYING TO DO ON THE GROUND.</font></span></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div>Again an Indian reference - you have used the word "Sewa" in your comment. Perhaps you are reading me as someone pushing the Indian point of view? I am not. I am born in India, a participant from India, I have faith in and respect for my country but I believe that in an International context I am at least a little wider than a national. I have been inspired by teachers who taught me in my school days that "patriotism is a prejudice" which is profound thinking which in depths implies that one must be beyond being patriotic and be rather global.<br>
<br>(Will come back this point and write more in response to what you have written a little later)<br><br>Thank you.<br>Sivasubramanian Muthusamy.<br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><span><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial">MBG</font></span></div><div class="im">
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<div><font size="2" color="#0000ff" face="Arial"></font><br>Sivasubramanian
Muthusamy<br> <br></div>
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