STOP CCing me [governance] Monroe Doctrin for Cyberspace?

[Rui Correia]

Dear Jeffrey

Please remove me from your CC list. I've been a member of the Governance
list since its inception, so there is no need - as much as I appreciate your
concerns - to write to me separately.

Rui

2009/8/18 Jeffrey A. Williams <jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com>

>  Eric and all,
>
>
>
>   You got it exactly right here Eric.  Unfortunately there are some as Karl
> kinda points out that
>
> act childish in the seeking of internet governance, which is why at present
> Internet Governance
>
> is a child.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Dierker
> Sent: Aug 17, 2009 8:33 PM
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, Karl Auerbach
> Subject: Re: [governance] Monroe Doctrin for Cyberspace?
>
>   Got that backwards Karl.  Rights come first. Governance comes after.
> Unless you prefer a declaration of government   ---   And then when ICANN
> gets around to it they give us stakeholder representation.
>
> You would have us determine all the rules and restrictions on individual
> users before establishing the rules and restrictions on the rulers.  This is
> how we are doing it now.  This is why no representative of broad inclusion
> replaced your board seat.  When the people have no power then the powerful
> own all the people  - slavery.
>
> Or you can have it Milton's preference. Benevolent dictators who know what
> is best for me and my children.  But censorship and exclusion is not so
> benevolent in the hands of elitists.
>
> --- On *Tue, 8/18/09, Karl Auerbach <karl at cavebear.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Karl Auerbach <karl at cavebear.com>
> Subject: Re: [governance] Monroe Doctrin for Cyberspace?
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 12:20 AM
>
> On 08/17/2009 01:14 PM, Paul Lehto wrote:
> > One of the more powerful things in defense of the expansion of human
> > freedom and equality...
>
> One of the best ways to assure that a child fails is to require that child
> to compete with adults.
>
> Internet governance is a child.
>
> It is far, far too soon to engage on human rights issues as subjects of
> governance - one may discuss them, but an attempt to set forth today to
> build a supranational apparatus to protect those rights is likely to crash
> and fail.
>
> It is better that internet governance take child steps to address issues
> that are more easily obtained, most particularly issues grounded in the
> level of service of internet services.
>
> To make this concrete, an aspect of internet governance might be to
> establish service level definitions that must be met before a provider can
> claim to be offering support for VoIP.  These would include not only
> bandwidth, delay, and jitter measures but also non-discrimination and
> privacy standards and a definition of what "management" measures are
> considered appropriate and what are not.
>
> In the DNS space, internet governance efforts could have success in doing
> that which ICANN has not: the establishment of criteria for DNS root (and
> perhaps some TLD) providers in terms of their ability to turn DNS query
> packets into DNS response packets, establishing metrics of availability,
> responsivity, privacy, and non-discrimination.
>
> There is also plenty of room to address the difficult issue of how one
> (whether that "one" be a person or a nation) to obtain assurances (not
> guarantees) of adequate levels of packet transport to support proposed
> applications.  (For example, a nation that is considering a VoIP
> infrastructure might be concerned about assurances that that infrastructure
> can reach overseas.)  Thus, internet governance issues might address the
> establishment of a clearinghouse through which users (and their agents) and
> providers might meet and arrange end-to-end assurances (again, not
> guarantees.)
>
> There is plenty of work to be done that can be done with success and that
> can build credibility for a subsequent effort to deal with the more
> difficult issues that are the focus of your note.
>
>         --karl--
>
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