[governance] Requesting Comments for an Internet Governance &
Rui Correia
correia.rui at gmail.com
Wed Aug 12 02:48:38 EDT 2009
Dear Vanda
I sincerely hope that I misunderstood what you said with "sharing the
experience is a favo[u]r we do to others".
We are all here to share and help and create a better environment for all. I
fail to see who is doing whom a favour - unless you were talking in your
former capacity as a senior on the ICANN board.
Perhaps you might want to make use of the opportunity to ensure that what
you said is what you meant.
Best regards,
Rui
2009/8/11 Vanda Scartezini <vanda at uol.com.br>
> Totally agree with Carlton and sharing the experience is a favor we do to
> others without the same opportunity to know the sides of the internet
> reality.
>
> Best to all
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> *From:* carlton.samuels at gmail.com [mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Carlton Samuels
> *Sent:* Friday, August 07, 2009 6:47 PM
> *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; Charity Gamboa
> *Cc:* Eric Dierker; Roxana Goldstein; Fouad Bajwa
> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Requesting Comments for an Internet Governance
> &
>
>
>
> Dear Charity:
> I live and teach in Jamaica and am engaged in distance and online education
> initiatives in the Caribbean. The Internet is an absolutely critical
> resource for all that I do. Your observations are spot on and deserve to be
> shared. For it is from the sharing that hopefully, we can help others of
> our brethren to understand our reality and foster a new appreciation of our
> perspectives.
>
> Kind regards,
> Carlton
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Charity Gamboa <charityg at diplomacy.edu>
> wrote:
>
> Fouad, Eric and Roxana,
>
> Just wanted to share my thoughts here.
>
> Geographic locations do affect such diverse factors as availability of
> resources and cultural attitudes - all of which in return will shape one's
> perspective on the Net. Implying/claiming that geographic location has no
> bearing on their perspective on the Net is fallacious at best. To reject the
> bearing of geographic location on perspective is a black swan argument.
>
> Eric, I come from a developing nation and married to someone from a
> developed nation. I worked with under privileged people in the Philippines
> and advocated on literacy programs to alleviate poverty. I come to the US
> and I volunteered to work with Hispanics on an adult literacy program. My
> perspective is different when I used to grumble about having to teach 15
> women with one computer in the Philippines and when I had to teach literacy
> to adults in the US who have enough resources (books, Internet) provided by
> the county and yet do not make use of such resources. So my perspective on
> the Net really differs after working in a developing nation and in a
> developed nation. Even at this case, I still do want to learn from diverse
> experiences. So I understand where Fouad is coming from - no labeling or
> stereotyping (of who are the elitist and all) but simply wanting to learn
> and share experiences.
>
> Regards,
> Charity
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:06 AM, Eric Dierker <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> Roxana and Fouad,
>
>
>
> My purpose in pointing out the complexities of a "developing class
> geographic" was to highlight similarities to be governed rather than
> differences. In 2001 I coined the term "dotcommoner" whilst objecting to
> elitist trying to run folks like you out of the ICANN GA.
>
> It was during the time when the last international governance elections
> were held in ICANN.
>
> We must remain diligence in any governance model to be inclusive -- not
> with bells and whistles and stipends and perquisites but in common
> interaction.
>
>
>
> You are too right about snobbery Roxanna. Note the current gaggle of
> elitist intellectuals proclaiming "unsubscribe"* on this open list. Note
> they were lead by a Ivy league type heavily marketed lawyer.
>
>
>
> Please do not be misled or discouraged by these "developed" egocentrics.
> Many of us really do care about shoeshine boys in Saigon and Iranian pro
> democracy advocates and open sourcing in the Honduras and free access to
> Internet Medical knowledge in Botswana.
>
> Most of us do not care about the funding models and titles bestowed and
> acknowledgments of great achievement. Most are good solid folks that are
> very smart and a little eccentric like Avri and Joe and Ian and Wolgang and
> McTim.
>
>
>
>
>
> * Everyone knows you do not unsubscribe by writing a post. It is a
> grandstanding "look at me" "I am better than you" post to do it publicly.
> Directly in the face of less popularly thought of folks. Almost always by
> people who do not want any humanism brought into the mix of their vision for
> us idiots. Labeling something a Troll, you do not understand is typical.
>
> --- On *Fri, 8/7/09, Roxana Goldstein <goldstein.roxana at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Roxana Goldstein <goldstein.roxana at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [governance] Requesting Comments for an Internet Governance
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Fouad Bajwa" <fouadbajwa at gmail.com>
> Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 12:56 PM
>
> Hi Eric, Fouad and all,
>
> I´ve been participating at this list for a long time -I think almost from
> the start up-, as a lurker mostly, just because I feel that we, the
> underdeveloped -specially those from underdeveloped countries :)-, are
> "under representated" here, I mean that most of the topics and the
> contributions reflect the worries of the dev people, everybody speak in
> english, everybody have good access to internet, perhaphs time to dedicate
> to this, good salaries and support to dedicate their effors to this issues.
> The scenario is different in underdev countries.
>
> I think that Eric, with his best intentions I supose, has put on the table
> a main concern about IG4D: this list, as many other spaces for interaction
> and debate, must be open for all an preserved as equal opportunites
> instances. But what Eric says shows a kind of appropriation of this spaces,
> perhaps as a result -in an unitentional vicious cycle- of the low
> participation of underdev people.
>
> Honestly, I felt really happy and ilusioned when I saw Fouad email, and I
> was one of the enthusiastic "early adopter" of Fouad's initiative of IG4D,
> even when I think that this issues must be debated not only in closed
> contexts, but in open ones, the most diverse should be the best, in order to
> make something different than what has been done before.
>
> Best regards,
> Roxana
>
> 2009/8/7 Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com<http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fouadbajwa@gmail.com>
> >
>
> Hi Eric,
>
> True but the objective is to learn from you and everyone on this list.
> If we don't discuss and we don't share, how will we learn and how will
> we relate and compare and search for possible answers? Lets continue
> to help out each other. By the way, I have not stereotyped or pin
> pointed any region in particular, I have request to share your
> comments in the light of identifying, analysing and suggesting a
> development agenda with respect to IG.
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Eric
> Dierker<cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net<http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net>>
> wrote:
> > Not a good starting point here. I am from a developed nation. All my
> work
> > has been for developing nations. My wife is from a developing nation.
> What
> > makes you think that ones geographic location determines their
> perspective
> > on the net.
> >
> > The US is developed -- Yet I worked with some in Northeastern Arizona on
> the
> > Navajo Indian reservation that have exactly the same issues as those of
> the
> > lower Mekong or Puebla Mexico. Your distinctions need to be retooled.
> >
> > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com<http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fouadbajwa@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > From: Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com<http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fouadbajwa@gmail.com>
> >
> > Subject: [governance] Requesting Comments for an Internet Governance
> > Development Agenda from Civil Society
> > To: governance at lists.cpsr.org<http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org>
> > Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 3:51 PM
> >
> > Dear Friends,
> >
> > As you know that I have been participating physically in IGF
> > mainstream activities only recently and I wanted to understand and
> > build up consensus on a Development Agenda with regards to Internet
> > Governance through various interventions. My understanding of the
> > topic may vary due to the fact that I belong to the developing world
> > and we see the subject of a developing agenda a bit differently from
> > the developed world perspective.
> >
> > I have occasionally referred to the possibility of such a development
> > agenda as "Internet Governance for Development" or "IG4D". I took this
> > perception to the Open Consultations in Geneva earlier this year in
> > May. I would like to request all of you to share your comments and
> > perspectives on your perception of a development agenda with regards
> > to Internet Governance. In the past, I have learnt a great deal from
> > IT For Change and APC's work and would like to learn more from the
> > grass roots and members of the IGC.
> >
> > I await your comments. I will produce something productive for sharing
> > at the IGF consultations and meetings respectively.
> >
> > --
> > Regards.
> > --------------------------
> > Fouad Bajwa
> > @skBajwa
> > Answering all your technology questions
> > http://www.askbajwa.com
> > http://twitter.com/fouadbajwa
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATVDW1tDZzA
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> --------------------------
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