[governance] Requesting Comments for an Internet Governance &
Vanda Scartezini
vanda at uol.com.br
Tue Aug 11 17:18:30 EDT 2009
Totally agree with Carlton and sharing the experience is a favor we do to
others without the same opportunity to know the sides of the internet
reality.
Best to all
Vanda Scartezini
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& IT Trend
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From: carlton.samuels at gmail.com [mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com] On Behalf
Of Carlton Samuels
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 6:47 PM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Charity Gamboa
Cc: Eric Dierker; Roxana Goldstein; Fouad Bajwa
Subject: Re: [governance] Requesting Comments for an Internet Governance &
Dear Charity:
I live and teach in Jamaica and am engaged in distance and online education
initiatives in the Caribbean. The Internet is an absolutely critical
resource for all that I do. Your observations are spot on and deserve to be
shared. For it is from the sharing that hopefully, we can help others of
our brethren to understand our reality and foster a new appreciation of our
perspectives.
Kind regards,
Carlton
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Charity Gamboa <charityg at diplomacy.edu>
wrote:
Fouad, Eric and Roxana,
Just wanted to share my thoughts here.
Geographic locations do affect such diverse factors as availability of
resources and cultural attitudes - all of which in return will shape one's
perspective on the Net. Implying/claiming that geographic location has no
bearing on their perspective on the Net is fallacious at best. To reject the
bearing of geographic location on perspective is a black swan argument.
Eric, I come from a developing nation and married to someone from a
developed nation. I worked with under privileged people in the Philippines
and advocated on literacy programs to alleviate poverty. I come to the US
and I volunteered to work with Hispanics on an adult literacy program. My
perspective is different when I used to grumble about having to teach 15
women with one computer in the Philippines and when I had to teach literacy
to adults in the US who have enough resources (books, Internet) provided by
the county and yet do not make use of such resources. So my perspective on
the Net really differs after working in a developing nation and in a
developed nation. Even at this case, I still do want to learn from diverse
experiences. So I understand where Fouad is coming from - no labeling or
stereotyping (of who are the elitist and all) but simply wanting to learn
and share experiences.
Regards,
Charity
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:06 AM, Eric Dierker <cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
Roxana and Fouad,
My purpose in pointing out the complexities of a "developing class
geographic" was to highlight similarities to be governed rather than
differences. In 2001 I coined the term "dotcommoner" whilst objecting to
elitist trying to run folks like you out of the ICANN GA.
It was during the time when the last international governance elections were
held in ICANN.
We must remain diligence in any governance model to be inclusive -- not with
bells and whistles and stipends and perquisites but in common interaction.
You are too right about snobbery Roxanna. Note the current gaggle of
elitist intellectuals proclaiming "unsubscribe"* on this open list. Note
they were lead by a Ivy league type heavily marketed lawyer.
Please do not be misled or discouraged by these "developed" egocentrics.
Many of us really do care about shoeshine boys in Saigon and Iranian pro
democracy advocates and open sourcing in the Honduras and free access to
Internet Medical knowledge in Botswana.
Most of us do not care about the funding models and titles bestowed and
acknowledgments of great achievement. Most are good solid folks that are
very smart and a little eccentric like Avri and Joe and Ian and Wolgang and
McTim.
* Everyone knows you do not unsubscribe by writing a post. It is a
grandstanding "look at me" "I am better than you" post to do it publicly.
Directly in the face of less popularly thought of folks. Almost always by
people who do not want any humanism brought into the mix of their vision for
us idiots. Labeling something a Troll, you do not understand is typical.
--- On Fri, 8/7/09, Roxana Goldstein <goldstein.roxana at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Roxana Goldstein <goldstein.roxana at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [governance] Requesting Comments for an Internet Governance
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, "Fouad Bajwa" <fouadbajwa at gmail.com>
Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 12:56 PM
Hi Eric, Fouad and all,
I´ve been participating at this list for a long time -I think almost from
the start up-, as a lurker mostly, just because I feel that we, the
underdeveloped -specially those from underdeveloped countries :)-, are
"under representated" here, I mean that most of the topics and the
contributions reflect the worries of the dev people, everybody speak in
english, everybody have good access to internet, perhaphs time to dedicate
to this, good salaries and support to dedicate their effors to this issues.
The scenario is different in underdev countries.
I think that Eric, with his best intentions I supose, has put on the table a
main concern about IG4D: this list, as many other spaces for interaction and
debate, must be open for all an preserved as equal opportunites instances.
But what Eric says shows a kind of appropriation of this spaces, perhaps as
a result -in an unitentional vicious cycle- of the low participation of
underdev people.
Honestly, I felt really happy and ilusioned when I saw Fouad email, and I
was one of the enthusiastic "early adopter" of Fouad's initiative of IG4D,
even when I think that this issues must be debated not only in closed
contexts, but in open ones, the most diverse should be the best, in order to
make something different than what has been done before.
Best regards,
Roxana
2009/8/7 Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com
<http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fouadbajwa@gmail.com> >
Hi Eric,
True but the objective is to learn from you and everyone on this list.
If we don't discuss and we don't share, how will we learn and how will
we relate and compare and search for possible answers? Lets continue
to help out each other. By the way, I have not stereotyped or pin
pointed any region in particular, I have request to share your
comments in the light of identifying, analysing and suggesting a
development agenda with respect to IG.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Eric
Dierker<cogitoergosum at sbcglobal.net
<http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net> >
wrote:
> Not a good starting point here. I am from a developed nation. All my
work
> has been for developing nations. My wife is from a developing nation.
What
> makes you think that ones geographic location determines their perspective
> on the net.
>
> The US is developed -- Yet I worked with some in Northeastern Arizona on
the
> Navajo Indian reservation that have exactly the same issues as those of
the
> lower Mekong or Puebla Mexico. Your distinctions need to be retooled.
>
> --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com
<http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fouadbajwa@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> From: Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com
<http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fouadbajwa@gmail.com> >
> Subject: [governance] Requesting Comments for an Internet Governance
> Development Agenda from Civil Society
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
<http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org>
> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 3:51 PM
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> As you know that I have been participating physically in IGF
> mainstream activities only recently and I wanted to understand and
> build up consensus on a Development Agenda with regards to Internet
> Governance through various interventions. My understanding of the
> topic may vary due to the fact that I belong to the developing world
> and we see the subject of a developing agenda a bit differently from
> the developed world perspective.
>
> I have occasionally referred to the possibility of such a development
> agenda as "Internet Governance for Development" or "IG4D". I took this
> perception to the Open Consultations in Geneva earlier this year in
> May. I would like to request all of you to share your comments and
> perspectives on your perception of a development agenda with regards
> to Internet Governance. In the past, I have learnt a great deal from
> IT For Change and APC's work and would like to learn more from the
> grass roots and members of the IGC.
>
> I await your comments. I will produce something productive for sharing
> at the IGF consultations and meetings respectively.
>
> --
> Regards.
> --------------------------
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