Dear Vanda <br><br>I sincerely hope that I misunderstood what you said with "sharing the experience is a favo[u]r we do to others". <br><br>We are all here to share and help and create a better environment for all. I fail to see who is doing whom a favour - unless you were talking in your former capacity as a senior on the ICANN board. <br>
<br>Perhaps you might want to make use of the opportunity to ensure that what you said is what you meant.<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>Rui <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/8/11 Vanda Scartezini <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vanda@uol.com.br">vanda@uol.com.br</a>></span><br>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Totally agree with Carlton and sharing the experience is a favor
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">
<a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com" target="_blank">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com" target="_blank">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Carlton
Samuels<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 07, 2009 6:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; Charity Gamboa<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Eric Dierker; Roxana Goldstein; Fouad Bajwa<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] Requesting Comments for an Internet Governance
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: "Comic Sans MS";">Dear Charity:<br>
I live and teach in Jamaica and am engaged in distance and online education
initiatives in the Caribbean. The Internet is an absolutely critical
resource for all that I do. Your observations are spot on and deserve to be
shared. For it is from the sharing that hopefully, we can help others of
our brethren to understand our reality and foster a new appreciation of our
perspectives.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
Carlton</span></p>
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<p>On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Charity Gamboa <<a href="mailto:charityg@diplomacy.edu" target="_blank">charityg@diplomacy.edu</a>> wrote:</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Fouad, Eric and Roxana,<br>
<br>
Just wanted to share my thoughts here.<br>
<br>
Geographic locations do affect such diverse factors as availability of
resources and cultural attitudes - all of which in return will shape one's
perspective on the Net. Implying/claiming that geographic location has no
bearing on their perspective on the Net is fallacious at best. To reject the
bearing of geographic location on perspective is a black swan argument.<br>
<br>
Eric, I come from a developing nation and married to someone from a developed
nation. I worked with under privileged people in the Philippines and advocated
on literacy programs to alleviate poverty. I come to the US and I volunteered
to work with Hispanics on an adult literacy program. My perspective is
different when I used to grumble about having to teach 15 women with one
computer in the Philippines and when I had to teach literacy to adults in the
US who have enough resources (books, Internet) provided by the county and yet
do not make use of such resources. So my perspective on the Net really differs
after working in a developing nation and in a developed nation. Even at this
case, I still do want to learn from diverse experiences. So I understand where
Fouad is coming from - no labeling or stereotyping (of who are the elitist and
all) but simply wanting to learn and share experiences.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Charity<br>
<br>
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<p>On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:06 AM, Eric Dierker <<a href="mailto:cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p><span style="font-family: "inherit","serif";">Roxana and
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<p><span style="font-family: "inherit","serif";">My purpose in
pointing out the complexities of a "developing class geographic"
was to highlight similarities to be governed rather than differences. In 2001
I coined the term "dotcommoner" whilst objecting to elitist trying
to run folks like you out of the ICANN GA.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: "inherit","serif";">It was during
the time when the last international governance elections were held in ICANN.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: "inherit","serif";">We must remain
diligence in any governance model to be inclusive -- not with bells and
whistles and stipends and perquisites but in common interaction.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: "inherit","serif";">You are too
right about snobbery Roxanna. Note the current gaggle of elitist
intellectuals proclaiming "unsubscribe"* on this open list. Note
they were lead by a Ivy league type heavily marketed lawyer. </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: "inherit","serif";">Please do not
be misled or discouraged by these "developed" egocentrics. Many of
us really do care about shoeshine boys in Saigon and Iranian pro democracy
advocates and open sourcing in the Honduras and free access to Internet
Medical knowledge in Botswana.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: "inherit","serif";">Most of us do
not care about the funding models and titles bestowed and acknowledgments of
great achievement. Most are good solid folks that are very smart and a
little eccentric like Avri and Joe and Ian and Wolgang and McTim.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: "inherit","serif";">* Everyone
knows you do not unsubscribe by writing a post. It is a grandstanding
"look at me" "I am better than you" post to do it
publicly. Directly in the face of less popularly thought of folks.
Almost always by people who do not want any humanism brought into the mix of
their vision for us idiots. Labeling something a Troll, you do not understand
is typical.<br>
<br>
--- On <b>Fri, 8/7/09, Roxana Goldstein <i><<a href="mailto:goldstein.roxana@gmail.com" target="_blank">goldstein.roxana@gmail.com</a>></i></b>
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From: Roxana Goldstein <<a href="mailto:goldstein.roxana@gmail.com" target="_blank">goldstein.roxana@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [governance] Requesting Comments for an Internet Governance<br>
To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>,
"Fouad Bajwa" <<a href="mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com" target="_blank">fouadbajwa@gmail.com</a>><br>
Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 12:56 PM</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-family: "inherit","serif";">Hi Eric, Fouad and all,<br>
<br>
I´ve been participating at this list for a long time -I think almost from the
start up-, as a lurker mostly, just because I feel that we, the
underdeveloped -specially those from underdeveloped countries :)-, are
"under representated" here, I mean that most of the topics and the
contributions reflect the worries of the dev people, everybody speak in
english, everybody have good access to internet, perhaphs time to dedicate to
this, good salaries and support to dedicate their effors to this issues. The
scenario is different in underdev countries.<br>
<br>
I think that Eric, with his best intentions I supose, has put on the table a
main concern about IG4D: this list, as many other spaces for interaction and
debate, must be open for all an preserved as equal opportunites instances.
But what Eric says shows a kind of appropriation of this spaces, perhaps as a
result -in an unitentional vicious cycle- of the low participation of
underdev people.<br>
<br>
Honestly, I felt really happy and ilusioned when I saw Fouad email, and I was
one of the enthusiastic "early adopter" of Fouad's initiative of
IG4D, even when I think that this issues must be debated not only in closed
contexts, but in open ones, the most diverse should be the best, in order to
make something different than what has been done before.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Roxana<br>
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<p><span style="font-family: "inherit","serif";">2009/8/7 Fouad
Bajwa <<a href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fouadbajwa@gmail.com" target="_blank">fouadbajwa@gmail.com</a>></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: "inherit","serif";">Hi Eric,<br>
<br>
True but the objective is to learn from you and everyone on this list.<br>
If we don't discuss and we don't share, how will we learn and how will<br>
we relate and compare and search for possible answers? Lets continue<br>
to help out each other. By the way, I have not stereotyped or pin<br>
pointed any region in particular, I have request to share your<br>
comments in the light of identifying, analysing and suggesting a<br>
development agenda with respect to IG.<br>
<br>
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Eric<br>
Dierker<<a href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">cogitoergosum@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> Not a good starting point here. I am from a developed
nation. All my work<br>
> has been for developing nations. My wife is from a developing
nation. What<br>
> makes you think that ones geographic location determines their
perspective<br>
> on the net.<br>
><br>
> The US is developed -- Yet I worked with some in Northeastern Arizona on
the<br>
> Navajo Indian reservation that have exactly the same issues as those of
the<br>
> lower Mekong or Puebla Mexico. Your distinctions need to be
retooled.<br>
><br>
> --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Fouad Bajwa <<a href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fouadbajwa@gmail.com" target="_blank">fouadbajwa@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> From: Fouad Bajwa <<a href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fouadbajwa@gmail.com" target="_blank">fouadbajwa@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Subject: [governance] Requesting Comments for an Internet Governance<br>
> Development Agenda from Civil Society<br>
> To: <a href="http://us.mc839.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=governance@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a><br>
> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 3:51 PM<br>
><br>
> Dear Friends,<br>
><br>
> As you know that I have been participating physically in IGF<br>
> mainstream activities only recently and I wanted to understand and<br>
> build up consensus on a Development Agenda with regards to Internet<br>
> Governance through various interventions. My understanding of the<br>
> topic may vary due to the fact that I belong to the developing world<br>
> and we see the subject of a developing agenda a bit differently from<br>
> the developed world perspective.<br>
><br>
> I have occasionally referred to the possibility of such a development<br>
> agenda as "Internet Governance for Development" or
"IG4D". I took this<br>
> perception to the Open Consultations in Geneva earlier this year in<br>
> May. I would like to request all of you to share your comments and<br>
> perspectives on your perception of a development agenda with regards<br>
> to Internet Governance. In the past, I have learnt a great deal from<br>
> IT For Change and APC's work and would like to learn more from the<br>
> grass roots and members of the IGC.<br>
><br>
> I await your comments. I will produce something productive for sharing<br>
> at the IGF consultations and meetings respectively.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Regards.<br>
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