[governance] My blog on the Tuesday consultation

Jeffrey A. Williams jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com
Wed Sep 17 21:22:04 EDT 2008


McTim and all,

  Good point!  Dialog often times does and perhaps must
include debate, and often times that debate gets very heated,
which IMO is, or can be a very healthy thing.  However some
participants in such "Dialog" often are very aggravated by heated
debate as part of any dialog, and make unfortunate requests
of the forum list chair or administrator to eliminate some certain
participants from continuing their participation.  Hence why
at times openness and transparency is lost or limited in less
than a proper manner.

McTim wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Even if you believe that real policy decisions regarding addressing should
> > be left in the RIRs, as I currently do, what is wrong with debating those
> > policy options in a wider forum
>
> "WRONG" as in "EVIL" is too strong a word, perhaps "not optimal" is
> better.  Off the top of my head, the non-optimal things could include:
>
> duplication of effort
>
> misleading folks into thinking they have contributed to policy
> development (as in "hey we talked about this at the IGF and wanted X
> to happen, now Y is happening, what's up with that?")
>
> discouraging them from joining the policy making fora by providing a
> "lite" alternative
>
> discouraging folk from participating in a discussion because of
> cultural norms that shun confrontation
>
> In any case it's a tempest in a teacup AFAIAC, in reading the
> transcript again, I see that all the people you accuse of "an
> orchestrated move" use the word "debate" multiple times, they just
> added "and dialogue".
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> McTim
> mctim.blogspot.com
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