[governance] Inputs for synthesis paper

[Sivasubramanian Muthusamy]

Hello Milton,

"right to have an Internet in ones own language"

What if I say, "I speak Tamil at home, this discussion is an important
public discussion, I demand an instant Tamil version in my mail box of all
messages that everyone writes"  or what if I say "I want all
intgovforum.organd all the collateral resources translated in Tamil in
a Tamil website
before this IGF is allowed to progress any further"? And what if I demand
the proceedings of the IGF simultaneously interpreted in Tamil and all
documents officially transcribed and published in Tamil? And in Spanish and
Portuguese and American Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese and in Toda, the
language of the Ooty mountains, in Sanskrit, in Tulu, in Assamese, in
Kannada?

There is so much to be DELETED in this draft.

Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
India

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:

>  Well there might be different emphases in a womens rights movement Milton
> and I don't think we need to demand the emphases be exactly the same. But
> that and many other issues here can wait till another day.
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> The important thing is that we seem to agree on the main thrust of the
> submission. I've enjoyed seeing the differing points of view here but
> perhaps now we need to collectively concentrate on getting the text together
> – next week the ongoing debate can happily continue.
>
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> *From:* Milton L Mueller [mailto:mueller at syr.edu]
> *Sent:* 09 September 2008 08:17
> *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; Ian Peter
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> *Subject:* RE: [governance] Inputs for synthesis paper
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> *From:* Ian Peter [mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, September 08, 2008 3:42 PM
> *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org
> *Subject:* RE: [governance] Inputs for synthesis paper
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> So womens rights is a collective right? Indigenous land rights is a
> collective right?
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>
> No, unless you believe that the rights of woman are completely different
> from the rights of men. In other words, patriarchal (or matriarchal)
> societies that assign superior or different rights based on gender believe
> in collective rights. Liberal societies that afford men, women and the
> transgendered equal rights based ontheir status as individuals are based on
> individual rights. So now tell me where you count yourself.  ;-)
>
>
>
> Indigenous land rights are more complicated. An individualist approach
> would certainly recognize the ability of groups (e.g., publicly owned
> corporations or even political communities) to own land, but see these as
> extensions of individual rights (as Tapani pointed out). However, the
> property rights of a very different culture may not be recognizable to a
> modern legal regime, and vice-versa, and so it may be better to handle those
> situations as a kind of special sovereignty. However, a collectivist
> approach to property rights can just as easily work against indigenous
> minorities as for them. I am sure you know the history.
>
>
>
> But for the sake of this submission, we obviously need to reflect differing
> opinions. Can't we find a simple way forward here? Isn't it as simple as a
> statement such as "while differing opinions on individual and collective
> rights exist" within the context of the general request, which is to make
> rights a main theme for Cairo? (which doesn't seem to be disputed)
>
>
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> That's what I thought my original edit did. I'd be happy to delete the line
> about how state-provided internet access might be used to violate other
> rights, even though I think the point is true and salient, I recognize that
> it may be a bit too in-your-face.
>
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