[governance] Inputs for synthesis paper
Jeffrey A. Williams
jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com
Mon Sep 8 04:06:54 EDT 2008
Sivasubramanian, and all,
Good point! As I have stated already, a "right to have an Internet in
ones own language" is a good goal, but not a reasonable "Right" in
any draft of an "Internet bill of Rights".
Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote:
> Hello Milton,
>
> "right to have an Internet in ones own language"
>
> What if I say, "I speak Tamil at home, this discussion is an important
> public discussion, I demand an instant Tamil version in my mail box of
> all messages that everyone writes" or what if I say "I want all
> intgovforum.org and all the collateral resources translated in Tamil
> in a Tamil website before this IGF is allowed to progress any
> further"? And what if I demand the proceedings of the IGF
> simultaneously interpreted in Tamil and all documents officially
> transcribed and published in Tamil? And in Spanish and Portuguese and
> American Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese and in Toda, the language of
> the Ooty mountains, in Sanskrit, in Tulu, in Assamese, in Kannada?
>
> There is so much to be DELETED in this draft.
>
> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
> India
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
> wrote:
>
> Well there might be different emphases in a womens rights
> movement Milton and I don't think we need to demand the
> emphases be exactly the same. But that and many other issues
> here can wait till another day.
>
> The important thing is that we seem to agree on the main
> thrust of the submission. I've enjoyed seeing the differing
> points of view here but perhaps now we need to collectively
> concentrate on getting the text together next week the
> ongoing debate can happily continue.
> Ian Peter
>
> Ian Peter and Associates Pty Ltd
>
> PO Box 10670 Adelaide St Brisbane 4000
>
> Australia
>
> Tel (+614) 1966 7772 or (+612) 6687 0773
>
> www.ianpeter.com
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> From: Milton L Mueller [mailto:mueller at syr.edu]
> Sent: 09 September 2008 08:17
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Ian Peter
>
> Subject: RE: [governance] Inputs for synthesis paper
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> From: Ian Peter [mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com]
>
> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 3:42 PM
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Subject: RE: [governance] Inputs for synthesis
> paper
>
> So womens rights is a collective right? Indigenous
> land rights is a collective right?
>
> No, unless you believe that the rights of woman
> are completely different from the rights of men.
> In other words, patriarchal (or matriarchal)
> societies that assign superior or different rights
> based on gender believe in collective rights.
> Liberal societies that afford men, women and the
> transgendered equal rights based ontheir status as
> individuals are based on individual rights. So now
> tell me where you count yourself. ;-)
>
> Indigenous land rights are more complicated. An
> individualist approach would certainly recognize
> the ability of groups (e.g., publicly owned
> corporations or even political communities) to own
> land, but see these as extensions of individual
> rights (as Tapani pointed out). However, the
> property rights of a very different culture may
> not be recognizable to a modern legal regime, and
> vice-versa, and so it may be better to handle
> those situations as a kind of special sovereignty.
> However, a collectivist approach to property
> rights can just as easily work against indigenous
> minorities as for them. I am sure you know the
> history.
>
> But for the sake of this submission, we obviously
> need to reflect differing opinions. Can't we find
> a simple way forward here? Isn't it as simple as a
> statement such as "while differing opinions on
> individual and collective rights exist" within the
> context of the general request, which is to make
> rights a main theme for Cairo? (which doesn't seem
> to be disputed)
>
> That's what I thought my original edit did. I'd be
> happy to delete the line about how state-provided
> internet access might be used to violate other
> rights, even though I think the point is true and
> salient, I recognize that it may be a bit too
> in-your-face.
>
> Internal Virus Database is out of date.
>
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1602 - Release
> Date: 8/9/2008 1:22 PM
> ____________________________________________________________
>
> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
> governance at lists.cpsr.org
> To be removed from the list, send any message to:
> governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org
>
> For all list information and functions, see:
> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/sivasubramanianmuthusamy
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> ____________________________________________________________
> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
> governance at lists.cpsr.org
> To be removed from the list, send any message to:
> governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org
>
> For all list information and functions, see:
> http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance
>
Regards,
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 281k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
Abraham Lincoln
"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS.
div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail
jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com
My Phone: 214-244-4827
____________________________________________________________
You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
governance at lists.cpsr.org
To be removed from the list, send any message to:
governance-unsubscribe at lists.cpsr.org
For all list information and functions, see:
http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance
More information about the Governance
mailing list