[governance] Inputs for synthesis paper

[Ian Peter]

Well there might be different emphases in a womens rights movement Milton
and I don't think we need to demand the emphases be exactly the same. But
that and many other issues here can wait till another day.

 

The important thing is that we seem to agree on the main thrust of the
submission. I've enjoyed seeing the differing points of view here but
perhaps now we need to collectively concentrate on getting the text together
- next week the ongoing debate can happily continue.

 

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From: Milton L Mueller [mailto:mueller at syr.edu] 
Sent: 09 September 2008 08:17
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Ian Peter
Subject: RE: [governance] Inputs for synthesis paper

 

 


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From: Ian Peter [mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 3:42 PM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
Subject: RE: [governance] Inputs for synthesis paper

 

So womens rights is a collective right? Indigenous land rights is a
collective right?  

 

No, unless you believe that the rights of woman are completely different
from the rights of men. In other words, patriarchal (or matriarchal)
societies that assign superior or different rights based on gender believe
in collective rights. Liberal societies that afford men, women and the
transgendered equal rights based ontheir status as individuals are based on
individual rights. So now tell me where you count yourself.  ;-)

 

Indigenous land rights are more complicated. An individualist approach would
certainly recognize the ability of groups (e.g., publicly owned corporations
or even political communities) to own land, but see these as extensions of
individual rights (as Tapani pointed out). However, the property rights of a
very different culture may not be recognizable to a modern legal regime, and
vice-versa, and so it may be better to handle those situations as a kind of
special sovereignty. However, a collectivist approach to property rights can
just as easily work against indigenous minorities as for them. I am sure you
know the history.  

 

But for the sake of this submission, we obviously need to reflect differing
opinions. Can't we find a simple way forward here? Isn't it as simple as a
statement such as "while differing opinions on individual and collective
rights exist" within the context of the general request, which is to make
rights a main theme for Cairo? (which doesn't seem to be disputed)

 

That's what I thought my original edit did. I'd be happy to delete the line
about how state-provided internet access might be used to violate other
rights, even though I think the point is true and salient, I recognize that
it may be a bit too in-your-face. 

 

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