FW: [Bill-of-Rights] [governance] germany plans citizen

[Hakikur Rahman]

A noteworthy remark. We have to be careful what 
we wish for in the name of 'Right to the Internet' or 'Bill of Internet Right'.

Best regards,
Hakik

At 11:04 AM 10/12/2008, Michael Gurstein wrote:
>Thanks very much for this Jaco, a very very 
>interesting (and probably necessary) linkage 
>between a "Right to the Internet" as Parminder 
>suggests is implied by the German program, and 
>"An Internet Bill of Rights" (A Bill of Internet 
>Rights?)... especially necessary in situations 
>where a "Right to the Internet" becomes a state 
>imposed obligatory use of the Internet... (be careful what you wish for ;-)
>
>MG
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:bill-of-rights-bounces at ipjustice.org] On Behalf Of Jaco Aizenman
>Sent: October-12-08 2:44 AM
>To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Ian Peter; bill-of-rights at ipjustice.org
>Cc: Avri Doria
>Subject: Re: [Bill-of-Rights] [governance] germany plans citizen email
>
>I can comment on what *already* happened in 
>Costa Rica, where a similar program was launched in 2000(*):
>
>Most people use not just the Government, 
><http://www.costarricense.cr>www.costarricense.cr 
>  , but also Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo or/and the work email.
>
>Tracking is a problem, but the problem applies 
>not just for the public sector providers but 
>also for the private sector providers, which 
>have even much more pointers (email, searches, social sites, etc).
>
>That´s why it is perceived locally as a 
>necessity and as a human right having an 
>Internet Bill of Rights (Law #15890, presented in 2004).
>
>(*) It was not just email, but:
>-Free access all over the country,  including 
>remote areas that satellite access was used.
>-Free website.
>-The concept of universalizing virtual 
>personality, including bank accounts (Good for 
>people in extreme poverty)) and others, which a 
>a few years later ended in the Congress with the 
>virtual personality fundamental right,
>
>On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Ian Peter 
><<mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com>ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>
>Comments below
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at psg.com]
> > Sent: 12 October 2008 10:02
> > To: Governance List
> > Subject: Re: [governance] germany plans citizen email
> >
> >
> > On 11 Oct 2008, at 01:38, Ian Peter wrote:
>
>Not be, I was quoting Johannes Ernst
> >
> > > First you create a universal digital identifier for each citizen
> > > that they have no control over (e.g. they can't have more than one
> > > for different purposes, change it to something else, run it on a
> > > different computer, decide not to show their name in it etc.)
> > >
> >
> >
> > but would they be required to use t for anything other then government
> > business?  sure if they use it for other stuff then tracking becomes
> > possible, but if it is just your gov't id used when doing citizen stuff?
> >
> > a.
> >
>I don't know, I guess that's the sort of detail that's really needed to
>evaluate this properly. But national ID schemes with attached data matching
>capabilities are a privacy issue, and the US social security number is a
>case in point.
>
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