FW: [Bill-of-Rights] [governance] germany plans citizen
Jeffrey A. Williams
jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com
Sat Oct 11 20:54:15 EDT 2008
Hakikur and all,
Exactly right! Any state recognized and enforced "Right" implies
or sometimes directly mandates certain responsibilities that can
be specifically defined and may not be what we have or had in
mind.
With that said, government sponsored or mandated Email for
example would not be something I would support as in could,
and likely would mitigate ones privacy and other freedoms, such
as freedom of speech or expression.
Hakikur Rahman wrote:
> A noteworthy remark. We have to be careful what we wish for in the
> name of 'Right to the Internet' or 'Bill of Internet Right'.
>
> Best regards,
> Hakik
>
> At 11:04 AM 10/12/2008, Michael Gurstein wrote:
>
>> Thanks very much for this Jaco, a very very interesting (and
>> probably necessary) linkage between a "Right to the Internet" as
>> Parminder suggests is implied by the German program, and "An
>> Internet Bill of Rights" (A Bill of Internet Rights?)... especially
>> necessary in situations where a "Right to the Internet" becomes a
>> state imposed obligatory use of the Internet... (be careful what you
>> wish for ;-)
>>
>> MG
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bill-of-rights-bounces at ipjustice.org [
>> mailto:bill-of-rights-bounces at ipjustice.org] On Behalf Of Jaco
>> Aizenman
>> Sent: October-12-08 2:44 AM
>> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Ian Peter;
>> bill-of-rights at ipjustice.org
>> Cc: Avri Doria
>> Subject: Re: [Bill-of-Rights] [governance] germany plans citizen
>> email
>>
>> I can comment on what *already* happened in Costa Rica, where a
>> similar program was launched in 2000(*):
>>
>> Most people use not just the Government, www.costarricense.cr , but
>> also Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo or/and the work email.
>>
>> Tracking is a problem, but the problem applies not just for the
>> public sector providers but also for the private sector providers,
>> which have even much more pointers (email, searches, social sites,
>> etc).
>>
>> That´s why it is perceived locally as a necessity and as a human
>> right having an Internet Bill of Rights (Law #15890, presented in
>> 2004).
>>
>> (*) It was not just email, but:
>> -Free access all over the country, including remote areas that
>> satellite access was used.
>> -Free website.
>> -The concept of universalizing virtual personality, including bank
>> accounts (Good for people in extreme poverty)) and others, which a a
>> few years later ended in the Congress with the virtual personality
>> fundamental right,
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Comments below
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at psg.com ]
>> > Sent: 12 October 2008 10:02
>> > To: Governance List
>> > Subject: Re: [governance] germany plans citizen email
>> >
>> >
>> > On 11 Oct 2008, at 01:38, Ian Peter wrote:
>>
>> Not be, I was quoting Johannes Ernst
>> >
>> > > First you create a universal digital identifier for each
>> citizen
>> > > that they have no control over (e.g. they can't have more
>> than one
>> > > for different purposes, change it to something else, run it
>> on a
>> > > different computer, decide not to show their name in it
>> etc.)
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > but would they be required to use t for anything other then
>> government
>> > business? sure if they use it for other stuff then tracking
>> becomes
>> > possible, but if it is just your gov't id used when doing
>> citizen stuff?
>> >
>> > a.
>> >
>> I don't know, I guess that's the sort of detail that's really
>> needed to
>> evaluate this properly. But national ID schemes with attached
>> data matching
>> capabilities are a privacy issue, and the US social security
>> number is a
>> case in point.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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