[governance] Themes for the coming IGFs: human rights and
jlfullsack
jlfullsack at wanadoo.fr
Fri Dec 12 03:39:17 EST 2008
Re: [governance] Themes for the coming IGFs: human rights and laborThanks, Divina, for having brought in the forefront the need for CS to have -at last- trade unions as partners for discussing more holistically all issues pertaining to ICTs and Internet domains. In my opinion, this pproposal should be of higher priority for CS than "Lessons from the private model" !
We have seen at EuroDig, that Unions -in particular the German federation of Unions- can contribute actively and very purposedly to our debates (see The Declaration od Berlin), and as CS we are also for some extent Union members that means at least our proximity. Another point that is very important for me, is the solidarity between workers inside of the ICT/Internet industry, and between those in the North with their colleagues in the South. This aspect should even to be strengthened in the next future.
All the best
Jean-Louis Fullsack
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From: Divina MEIGS
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org, shaila mistry ; governance at lists.cpsr.org ; Parminder
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [governance] Themes for the coming IGFs: human rights and
Hi everybody,
I don't often contribute to this list and I hope you won't mind my intervention.
I would like to support a "human rights" based internet governance, especially in view of all the infringements of such rights today, in all countries, France none the least. Yesterday, during the celebrations of the human rights declaration, one of our intellectuals, Regis Debray, has criticized the human rights as the degree zero of politics and as a tool for politicians who have no ideas. I find this very reactionnary, offensive and irresponsible... And I think we should try to prove him wrong...
There is another issue that has been bothering me for several years of attendance at WSIS and IGF meetings: we never talk about labour. And yet ICTs are affecting the way we work, the way we are paid, the way we are evaluated, the way we can retire and all the other solidarity mechanisms around employment and unemployement. I can see it in our universities where there is also an increasing gap between the way we train students and the kind of jobs they get at the exit... So indeed, I would like to see more involvement of the private sector to discuss these issues, maybe with trade unions as guests of honor... since they are conspicuously absent !!
So let's say that my priorities for themes for the next two IGFs would be=
1) human rights based internet governance, for 2009, as we could make it coincide with other celebrations around the theme ... and as many of us have been pushing for this issue ;
2) labor and internet governance, for 2010, as we should come to grips with the territorial consequences of virtual worlds...
Sorry i missed you all in Hyderabad!
Best
Divina Frau-Meigs
Le 12/12/08 3:17, « shaila mistry » <shailam at yahoo.com> a écrit :
Hi
As an Internet Bill of Rights IBR advocate I support Rights based theme for the next IGF conference. In addition I also suggest we encourage greater involvement from private sector, particularly the small and medium business. Learning from the buisness model will assist us greatly . Perhaps we could make this a sub theme : lessons from the private sector model.
I am still in Chennai...will contribute more later
Shaila Rao Mistry
be as a well......sure and limitless....
but as time befits.....assume other forms ....
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From: Max Senges <maxsenges at gmail.com>
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Meryem Marzouki <marzouki at ras.eu.org>; Parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:32:01 PM
Subject: Re: [governance] Themes for the coming IGFs
Hello
I also want to thank Janette to start the discussion about next years themes. Naturally the focus of the Internet Rights and Principles [1] coalition is to promote a "Rights based approach to Internet Governance" as main theme.
We plan to have a mid-term meeting in Rome which we can use to coordinate and prepare events with a Rights and Principles focus.
If you are interested in pushing a "Rights based approach to Internet Governance" as main IGF theme 2009 please join our discussion on http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/bill-of-rights
best
max
[1] we have the name change from Internet Bill of Rights on our agenda for next weeks monthly meeting.
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Meryem Marzouki <marzouki at ras.eu.org> wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've thought that, for 60 years and one day now, there is no question on whether one buys or not into a right approach. The only remaining question, in any new context - like, here, IG - being how.
Le 11 déc. 08 à 15:56, Jeanette Hofmann a écrit :
Meryem Marzouki wrote:
Le 11 déc. 08 à 12:55, Jeanette Hofmann a écrit :
Ralf Bendrath wrote:
As I
said there, I am a bit sceptical if it's a good idea to put human rights
up for discussion, but this probably depends on the framing. "Translating
and implementing human rights for IG" would go in the right direction.
Yes, one could also frame it a bit broader such as 'the role of rights in IG'. That would make certainly a good main session. I spoke against the 'rights based approach to IG' as an overall theme at the caucus meeting but I would support this topic for a main session.
I don't see what "the role of rights in IG" (or in anything else) could mean.
I meant to frame it in a way that integrates people who have concerns with a rights based approach. "Towards" suggests that all participants buy into this approach.
jeanette
Let's frame it differently, e.g. "Towards an IG framework
compliant with human rights and democratic principles" or something with similar meaning. This, BTW, would allow to keep the issue of access on the table, although framed differently.____________________________________________________________
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