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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks, Divina, for having brought in the forefront
the need for CS to have -at last- trade unions as partners for discussing more
holistically all issues pertaining to ICTs and Internet domains. In my opinion,
this pproposal should be of higher priority for CS than "Lessons from the
private model" !</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We have seen at EuroDig, that Unions -in particular
the German federation of Unions- can contribute actively and very
purposedly to our debates (see The Declaration od Berlin), and as CS we are
also for some extent Union members that means at least our
proximity. Another point that is very important for me, is the solidarity
between workers inside of the ICT/Internet industry, and between those in
the North with their colleagues in the South. This aspect should even to be
strengthened in the next future. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>All the best </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jean-Louis Fullsack</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=divina.meigs@orange.fr href="mailto:divina.meigs@orange.fr">Divina
MEIGS</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=shailam@yahoo.com
href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org, shaila mistry">governance@lists.cpsr.org,
shaila mistry</A> ; <A title=governance@lists.cpsr.org
href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</A> ; <A
title=parminder@itforchange.net
href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">Parminder</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 12, 2008 9:07
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [governance] Themes for the
coming IGFs: human rights and</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><BR>Hi everybody,<BR><BR>I don’t often contribute to
this list and I hope you won’t mind my intervention.<BR><BR>I would like to
support a “human rights” based internet governance, especially in view of all
the infringements of such rights today, in all countries, France none the
least. Yesterday, during the celebrations of the human rights declaration, one
of our intellectuals, Regis Debray, has criticized the human rights as the
degree zero of politics and as a tool for politicians who have no ideas. I
find this very reactionnary, offensive and irresponsible... And I think we
should try to prove him wrong...<BR><BR>There is another issue that has been
bothering me for several years of attendance at WSIS and IGF meetings: we
never talk about labour. And yet ICTs are affecting the way we work, the way
we are paid, the way we are evaluated, the way we can retire and all the other
solidarity mechanisms around employment and unemployement. I can see it in our
universities where there is also an increasing gap between the way we train
students and the kind of jobs they get at the exit... So indeed, I would like
to see more involvement of the private sector to discuss these issues, maybe
with trade unions as guests of honor... since they are conspicuously absent
!!<BR><BR>So let’s say that my priorities for themes for the next two
IGFs would be=<BR> 1) human rights based internet
governance, for 2009, as we could make it coincide with other celebrations
around the theme ... and as many of us have been pushing for this issue
;<BR> 2) labor and internet governance, for 2010, as we
should come to grips with the territorial consequences of virtual
worlds...<BR><BR>Sorry i missed you all in Hyderabad!<BR><BR>Best<BR>Divina
Frau-Meigs<BR><BR><BR>Le 12/12/08 3:17, « shaila mistry »
<shailam@yahoo.com> a écrit :<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">Hi <BR>As an Internet Bill of Rights IBR advocate I
support Rights based theme for the next IGF conference. In addition I also
suggest we encourage greater involvement from private sector, particularly
the small and medium business. Learning from the buisness model will assist
us greatly . Perhaps we could make this a sub theme : lessons from the
private sector model.<BR> <BR>I am still in Chennai...will contribute
more later <BR> <BR>Shaila Rao Mistry<BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
size=4><FONT face="Comic Sans MS, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13px"><B>be as a well......sure and limitless....<BR>but
as time befits.....assume other forms .... </B></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT
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<B>From:</B> Max Senges <maxsenges@gmail.com><BR><B>To:</B>
governance@lists.cpsr.org; Meryem Marzouki <marzouki@ras.eu.org>;
Parminder <parminder@itforchange.net><BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday,
December 11, 2008 9:32:01 PM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [governance] Themes for
the coming IGFs<BR></FONT><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR>Hello
<BR><BR>I also want to thank Janette to start the discussion about next
years themes. Naturally the focus of the Internet Rights and Principles [1]
coalition is to promote a "Rights based approach to Internet
Governance" as main theme.<BR><BR>We plan to have a mid-term meeting in Rome
which we can use to coordinate and prepare events with a Rights and
Principles focus.<BR><BR>If you are interested in pushing a "Rights based
approach to Internet Governance" as main IGF theme 2009 please join
our discussion on <A
href="http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/bill-of-rights">http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/bill-of-rights</A><BR><BR>best<BR>max<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>[1]
we have the name change from Internet Bill of Rights on our agenda for next
weeks monthly meeting.<BR><BR>On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Meryem
Marzouki <marzouki@ras.eu.org> wrote:<BR></FONT></SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial">Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've thought
that, for 60 years and one day now, there is no question on whether one
buys or not into a right approach. The only remaining question, in any new
context - like, here, IG - being how.<BR><BR>Le 11 déc. 08 à 15:56,
Jeanette Hofmann a écrit : <BR><BR><BR></FONT></SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR><BR>Meryem Marzouki
wrote:<BR></FONT></SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial">Le 11 déc. 08 à 12:55, Jeanette
Hofmann a écrit :<BR></FONT></SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR>Ralf Bendrath
wrote:<BR></FONT></SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial">As I<BR>said there, I am a bit
sceptical if it's a good idea to put human rights<BR>up for
discussion, but this probably depends on the framing.
"Translating<BR>and implementing human rights for IG" would go in
the right direction.<BR></FONT></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR>Yes, one could also frame it a
bit broader such as 'the role of rights in IG'. That would make
certainly a good main session. I spoke against the 'rights based
approach to IG' as an overall theme at the caucus meeting but I
would support this topic for a main
session.<BR></FONT></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial">I don't
see what "the role of rights in IG" (or in anything else) could
mean.<BR></FONT></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR>I meant to frame it in a way that
integrates people who have concerns with a rights based approach.
"Towards" suggests that all participants buy into this
approach.<BR>jeanette<BR><BR>Let's frame it differently, e.g. "Towards
an IG framework<BR></FONT></SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"><FONT
face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial">compliant with human rights and
democratic principles" or something with similar meaning. This, BTW,
would allow to keep the issue of access on the table, although framed
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